Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:44674) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TbgKP-0003z9-Bq; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:37:16 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id o6sf6095427oag.16 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=kupgG08lJ/AHtUa5azF8GQjqwS8XaHJfpESwENcn9EE=; b=J5Wzh88pUGmOfpJ56zyQ6g1KoURVjcWia8EuLwBVS67m9Fp+QwEo+el/Rr469jEfv1 7rzba2tSoV5j/UFW9XbeWM6LOmLPfMW9MNbAXj1KJFEpxfiYeGHEP7DxSHaQn8N687BL t9fofs9tjRDtQhTBAU6Xor3e6vbfUQE1x8maU5eklz1UMRT+QfzwHl0Z+CHP0Kx95VMI oDA9zOCYfGxUSAsBkcdPH9JQ7oCYIqhdRz21Ygq+1vF0+BkKYbgV2EExCSYd0Z1KbWzX mAXajsdZlSQvodEHd3k6APDlfZ+K5KsYkRJaY6a3JFMvUVHDqw4ddXQ3q57sTT7wNTts b52Q== Received: by 10.49.58.238 with SMTP id u14mr369964qeq.13.1353627418684; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.25.130 with SMTP id c2ls128019qeg.50.gmail; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.246.37 with SMTP id xt5mr484061vec.13.1353627417206; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.246.37 with SMTP id xt5mr484060vec.13.1353627417187; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bn19si342151vdb.0.2012.11.22.15.36.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fc26so994341vbb.17 for ; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.89.172 with SMTP id bp12mr2849963vdb.19.1353627417043; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.89.84 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:36:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <16cb715c-d3ee-4e2a-b50c-535e9ed07321@googlegroups.com> References: <86e78277-c410-4da2-bf88-2c3b28752932@googlegroups.com> <20120829023927.GN28376@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <26403884.2krTYlLp09@caracal> <20120924051041.GP25097@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120924074029.GO1589@nvg.org> <5c9be86d-9724-4bf6-a373-d89473ae85c8@googlegroups.com> <16cb715c-d3ee-4e2a-b50c-535e9ed07321@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Two new gismu, "stomach" and "back of body". And a proposal for an updated method of generating gismu. To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5015f3959e3be04cf1df17d X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec5015f3959e3be04cf1df17d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When it comes to discussing the front of the body, we have {flira} for the face, {cutne} for the chest, and {betfu} for the abdomen. Now, when it comes to discussing the back, there're the (poorly formed) lujvo {cutyti'e} and {befti'e}, which according to the gismu deep stucture, simply mean "x1 is behind the chest of x2" and "x1 is behind the abdomen of x2". With that in mind, would "back of head" be {firti'e} ? Can we coin joi-based lujvo to mean frontal side and dorsal side? They could be {cutyjolbe'u} and {cutyti'ekepjolkembefti'e} but that's just getting silly. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o On 22 November 2012 13:40, la gleki wrote: > > > On Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:21:51 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM, la gleki wrote: >> >>> So do we need gismu for ventral side? >>> If so I completely lost. >>> >>> Peeps, what are the terms fro that in the languages that you speak? >>> I can't find such a word in English ("ventral side of body" doesn't >>> count). >>> >> >> The ventral side is the opposite of the back side: the stomache, chest. >> In fact, ventral comes from the Latin word for "belly". >> > > But we already have {betfu} for that with a different meaning, arent we? > >> >> >>> .e'u if English and other languages lack this word we shoudl remove >>> them from the algorithm and retain the languages that have this concept= in >>> a short rootword. >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 24, 2012 11:40:40 AM UTC+4, Arnt Richard Johansen >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:10:41PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>>> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 07:12:54AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > The cutne is anterior to the betfu; both have a ventral surface. >>>> > >>>> > Can you point met to an explanation of those words, and words like >>>> > them, that makes that make sense? Because I don't get it. >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**A**natomical_terms_of_location#**Ve** >>>> rtebrate_directional_termsis a bit geeky, but hopefully i= t helps. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arnt Richard Johansen >>>> http://arj.nvg.org/ >>>> On the Semantic Web, it's too hard to prove you're not a dog. --Bill d= e >>>> h=EF=BF=BDra >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/lojban/-/2aTQL1yDfnEJ >>> . >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban?hl=3Den . >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/HXT1UOKdHjYJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --bcaec5015f3959e3be04cf1df17d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When it comes to discussing the front of the body, we have {flira} for the = face, {cutne} for the chest, and {betfu} for the abdomen. Now, when it come= s to discussing the back, there're the (poorly formed) lujvo {cutyti= 9;e} and {befti'e}, which according to the gismu deep stucture, simply = mean "x1 is behind the chest of x2" and "x1 is behind the ab= domen of x2". With that in mind, would "back of head" be {fi= rti'e} ? Can we coin joi-based lujvo to mean frontal side and dorsal si= de? They could be {cutyjolbe'u} and {cutyti'ekepjolkembefti'e} = but that's just getting silly.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 22 November 2012 13:40, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thursday, November 22, 2012 10:21= :51 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:54 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
So do we need =A0gismu for ventral side?
If so I completely lost.
=

Peeps, what are the terms fro that in the languages tha= t you speak?
I can't find such a word in English ("ventr= al side of body" doesn't count).

The ventral side is the opposite of the back side: th= e stomache, chest. In fact, ventral comes from the Latin word for "bel= ly".

But we alre= ady have {betfu} for that with a different meaning, arent we?
=A0=
.e'u if English and other languages lack this word we s= houdl remove them from the algorithm and retain the languages that have thi= s concept in a short rootword.


On Monday, September 24, 2012 11= :40:40 AM UTC+4, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:10:= 41PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 07:12:54AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
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> > The cutne is anterior to the betfu; both have a ventral surfa= ce.
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> Can you point met to an explanation of those words, and words like
> them, that makes that make sense? =A0Because I don't get it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/= Anatomical_terms_of_location#Vertebrate_directi= onal_terms is a bit geeky, but hopefully it helps.


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