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Subject: Re: [lojban] Two new gismu, "stomach" and "back of body". And a
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Jacob Errington wrote:
> When it comes to discussing the front of the body, we have {flira} for
> the face, {cutne} for the chest, and {betfu} for the abdomen. Now, when
> it comes to discussing the back, there're the (poorly formed) lujvo
> {cutyti'e} and {befti'e}, which according to the gismu deep stucture,
> simply mean "x1 is behind the chest of x2" and "x1 is behind the abdomen
> of x2". With that in mind, would "back of head" be {firti'e} ? Can we
> coin joi-based lujvo to mean frontal side and dorsal side? They could be
> {cutyjolbe'u} and {cutyti'ekepjolkembefti'e} but that's just getting silly.

When we created the gismu, we simply intended trixe for the 
back/posterior/dorsal and crane for the front/anterior/ventral, 
presuming that people would make lujvo if more specificity was needed 
(e.g. to distinguish dorsal and posterior in a fish, which has the 
spinal axis in a different direction from humans).

We did not distinguish between the back direction (behind the body, not 
part of the body) and the back part of the body - that was also to be 
done with lujvo.  There were a variety of ideas, on how to do this so we 
decided not to decide.  But we didn't think the distinction warranted 
two different gismu, because in fact we didn't find such a distinction 
was very clear in the natlangs we were looking at.

I'm not recommending specific lujvo now, because I suspect that 
different solutions would apply to different problems.  A chart of terms 
on wikipedia that was mentioned applies to vertebrates, but what about 
other animal (and plant and whatever) forms?

I'd be inclined to use one or more fu'ivla before creating a new gismu. 
  Adding to the gismu set when it was avoidable was offensive to a large 
segment of Lojban supporters back when we were finalizing the list, and 
we stopped considering changes when the number of proposals to eliminate 
gismu exceeded the number of new additions.

back of head would presumable by sedyti'u to correspond to your 
{cutyti'e} and {befti'e}.  While humans have a flira on the sedycra, one 
can certainly imagine having a separate flira on the sedyti'u.

lojbab
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