Received: from mail-qc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:58709) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TcnUD-0005r7-Bd; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:28:00 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f189.google.com with SMTP id c11sf7853412qca.16 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vdOfsAq2OWg97r9fsXElnJZhZRHMXRfFE7fYNQGWoMg=; b=aClpyK+s77coyLZfmTCbyEYQU1a1IgAegh8z9LFZB4kflO1bhL65Vro6bq4CNea4RS hNGrCRLlLWQ+LbK9aq5mwqd2s93zenn9ubFh3Y/4dxOQbQMlWbhaWuNYH1x8DHdWpJ9z 0GsO6jV2qNMA7+uLZsWdkH1mOE0C+tIVwt5gXgKhvMX3/TN28wYdwDjKmN4DYo9c0DRS WOZTnjVUMwq2R++phVbVfuoBykVL7UfvEvB60xKp59SRMJdlDX/NXy6nBEtlSk59oSXS cFZDroQvCXZN85hN7Lf7pODFv6hNqvzwgMjHwOsi9/n6Epn0b3LncThm3tsHy/YqsIVa wkbA== Received: by 10.49.24.14 with SMTP id q14mr1892875qef.17.1353893261510; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.2.225 with SMTP id 1ls1468985qex.77.gmail; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.216.36 with SMTP id on4mr3160635vec.28.1353893260951; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.216.36 with SMTP id on4mr3160634vec.28.1353893260935; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com (mail-vc0-f181.google.com [209.85.220.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si968184vdb.1.2012.11.25.17.27.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.181; Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id fy27so5806104vcb.26 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.68.175 with SMTP id x15mr14558280vdt.107.1353893260825; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.7.135 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:27:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50B216C7.10107@gmail.com> References: <50B216C7.10107@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:27:40 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A lojbanic rhyme schema From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3078131ee013e304cf5bd6ba X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3078131ee013e304cf5bd6ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 While I think this is an interesting idea, at the same time I'm not really sure it results in the "sing-song" character of rhyming verse in English. However, I am not familiar with rhyme in other languages, except that I know that Latin very nearly doesn't have rhyme at all. Occasionally couplet authors can pull it off, but Latin primarily depends on rhythm rather than rhyme, at least classically. mu'o mi'e la latro'a On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:01 AM, vitci'i wrote: > Different cultures have had different rules for what sort of repetition > is considered poetic: rhyme, assonance, consonance, etc. I wanted > something unique and inherently lojbanic. Here's my proposal. > > > Two words {jborimni} iff they share at least one rafsi-candidate.[1] For > example, "bangu" and "bakni" jborimni because they share the > rafsi-candidate "-ban-". > > For purposes of this definition, the rafsi-candidates of a cmavo are > considered to be its actual rafsi (if any) and itself. > > Lujvo are read as their veljvo (e.g., "brivla" is treated as equivalent > to "bridi valsi"). Fu'ivla/zi'evla never jborimni with anything. > (Self-jborimni is considered a degenerate case, to be avoided.) > > Cmene should be quasi-parsed: ".lojban." rhymes as "logji bangu" (e.g. > with "bargu"); ".alis." rhymes as ".a lis." (e.g. with "lisri"). > > > Note that (lo se gismu be fa zo jborimni) is not necessarily transitive. > > > This definition can be used in a variety of verse structures. Perhaps > you might want ends of lines to jborimni, or beginnings, or the > beginning of each line with its end, or to use jborimni placed > irregularly throughout the middles of lines. > > > > [1] See http://dag.github.com/cll/4/6/ for the rules on deriving rafsi > candidates from gismu. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3078131ee013e304cf5bd6ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I think this is an interesting idea, at the same time I'm not rea= lly sure it results in the "sing-song" character of rhyming verse= in English. However, I am not familiar with rhyme in other languages, exce= pt that I know that Latin very nearly doesn't have rhyme at all. Occasi= onally couplet authors can pull it off, but Latin primarily depends on rhyt= hm rather than rhyme, at least classically.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On S= un, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:01 AM, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Different cultures have had different rules = for what sort of repetition
is considered poetic: rhyme, assonance, consonance, etc. I wanted
something unique and inherently lojbanic. Here's my proposal.


Two words {jborimni} iff they share at least one rafsi-candidate.[1] For example, "bangu" and "bakni" jborimni because they shar= e the
rafsi-candidate "-ban-".

For purposes of this definition, the rafsi-candidates of a cmavo are
considered to be its actual rafsi (if any) and itself.

Lujvo are read as their veljvo (e.g., "brivla" is treated as equi= valent
to "bridi valsi"). Fu'ivla/zi'evla never jborimni with an= ything.
(Self-jborimni is considered a degenerate case, to be avoided.)

Cmene should be quasi-parsed: ".lojban." rhymes as "logji ba= ngu" (e.g.
with "bargu"); ".alis." rhymes as ".a lis." (= e.g. with "lisri").


Note that (lo se gismu be fa zo jborimni) is not necessarily transitive.

This definition can be used in a variety of verse structures. Perhaps
you might want ends of lines to jborimni, or beginnings, or the
beginning of each line with its end, or to use jborimni placed
irregularly throughout the middles of lines.



[1] See http:/= /dag.github.com/cll/4/6/ for the rules on deriving rafsi
candidates from gismu.

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