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[98.139.213.139]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r17si5261375qcp.1.2012.11.27.12.08.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.213.139 as permitted sender) client-ip=98.139.213.139; Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm27.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2012 20:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.108] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2012 20:08:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Nov 2012 20:08:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 185031.96592.bm@omp1013.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 79626 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Nov 2012 20:08:50 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: RM3nvVwVM1naRE5_d0mRSLAIoh9ggIHGyrdHQaGMoyR5cZo LqQ1tx0Lt3FwWcsRJP0pxqHBwMniO37WMcAUt7eVnW7F40LhPmPsjVGw_zUT oaUqw2SoOVmYiurt8W6kkYg8mvYRLzcW_t1_FJTcaITFDPDDQWa94Ivqtn0s sfLl6hH4qSmQKLEzVdwUlrNQfeOkqzcGdZLQH7KujWpE2qn.UUaTJzOiVpaz M0zLXS7ONHNfz9bO8Vg5hqC4uzjg6J_Vo6dkp6V_GaG5ZDAkElDK95jPUSws geKbBjxZ5np9din9MeavkmTMEBckKKpkxXgqZjJ0YoasnsmJapO2KlrnZSn0 p1Izjyi8O2r8c_nBlFhHgbLGp1DRy9fNlkiTZJuzsyOZo7D_2gCGxXN5gggh Oqi4wsyJFsF5ZA5dPQITHOFb5.8htNRdJfpMAPWOhrxbXKeiM1gZAKlwzF9U PtgBFNDkgVraI4iWftITwpX.ovt5U6YKTuOf3ZTdhzy_8Vkl35Rj5CEgzc.7 DPJ0UQyPgf8v5Lpb_SQzWIQewl6GV5wn9v5Vqzs_vwrwDpbxB2gfZc5g2WnG APsIwXPbCdtFHD8OJVash2x_DxEXuR7rNOWj_piybWLj3XRrRPcYEE5ZGrfK CvsLeTjWRGZp3zfX2ZjM1YwNqDPKTLCLaCQnDi9qi1KA34tv4adStoEXUkx1 LWWjbzamz6TCv6rfzUyFN4seFNW9HkPHvtHRhDXM- Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:08:50 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SWYgd2UgdGFrZSBsbyBjaW5mb3RvIHJlZmVyIHRvIHRoZSBzYWxpZW50IHN1YmxhdHRpY2Ugb2YgdGhlIGV4dGVuc2lvbiBvZiBjaW5mbywgdGhlbiBpdCB3b3JrcyBmaW5lIGZvciBhbGwgb2YgdGhlc2UsIGxhbmd1YWdlbHkgaWYgbm90IHByZWNpc3NpbHkuwqAgQW5kIHdlIGNhbiBkaWZmZXJlbnRpYXRlIHRoZSBjYXNlcyBpbiBhIHZhaWV0eSBvZiB3YXlzLCBpbmNsdWRpbmcgdGhlIHJlbGF0aW9uIGJldHdlZW4gdGhlIGFyZ3VtZW50cyBhbmQgdGhlIHByZWRpY2F0ZXMuIExvamJhbiBpcyBnZXR0aW5nIHQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.127.475 References: <97523da7-5530-49f8-b20d-60689a3a2e78@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <1354046930.76428.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 12:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lions and levels and the like To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: <97523da7-5530-49f8-b20d-60689a3a2e78@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.213.139 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1789658926-1759507715-1354046930=:76428" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --1789658926-1759507715-1354046930=:76428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If we take lo cinfoto refer to the salient sublattice of the extension of c= info, then it works fine for all of these, languagely if not precissily.=A0= And we can differentiate the cases in a vaiety of ways, including the rela= tion between the arguments and the predicates. Lojban is getting to be a mo= re real language every day. ________________________________ From: selpa'i To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: [lojban] Re: Lions and levels and the like =20 Am Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 17:22:36 UTC+1 schrieb clifford: If someone asks, out of the blue, how many lions there are and I say "About= 12,000", my answer may be wrong but it is the right sort of answer. =A0If = the gotcha questioner says "no, there are four" I can righteously respond "= Hey, there are five just in our Zoo". =A0If he goes on to explain =A0"The E= uropean (now extinct), the African, the Indian, and the Asiatic", I might e= xclaim "Oh, you meant *kinds* of lions!". =A0Yet, had he begun the conversa= tion with "There are four lions: the European, the Asiatic, the Indian, and= the African", I would have understood him fine and had no complaints. I wo= uld equally have no problems with "That lion is the same as the one we saw = yesterday" nor, probably, with "Lion (or lions) is (are) quite tasty, when = marinated in monkey-brain sauce and roasted over an open fire", nor "Lions = eat gazelles" nor "A/The lion is/Lions are the second largest cat". =A0And = so on through countless other examples > A joke I read in the newspaper today: The teacher asks a student: "Name three animals from Africa." The student answers: "An elephant and two lions." mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/MMjmEAkop-kJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --1789658926-1759507715-1354046930=:76428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If we take lo cinfo to refer to the salie= nt sublattice of the extension of cinfo, then it works fine for all of these, languagely if n= ot precissily.  And we can differentiate the cases in a vaiety of ways= , including the relation between the arguments and the predicates. Lojban i= s getting to be a more real language every day.



From: selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject: [lojban] Re: Lions an= d levels and the like

Am Mittwoch, 9. November 2011 17:22:36 UTC+1 schr= ieb clifford:
If someo= ne asks, out of the blue, how many lions there are and I say "About 12,000"= , my answer may be wrong but it is the right sort of answer.  If the g= otcha questioner says "no, there are four" I can righteously respond "Hey, = there are five just in our Zoo".  If he goes on to explain  "The = European (now extinct), the African, the Indian, and the Asiatic", I might = exclaim "Oh, you meant *kinds* of lions!".  Yet, had he begun the conv= ersation with "There are four lions: the European, the Asiatic, the Indian,= and the African", I would have understood him fine and had no complaints. = I would equally have no problems with "That lion is the same as the one we = saw yesterday" nor, probably, with "Lion (or lions) is (are) quite tasty, when marinated in monkey-brain sauce and roasted over an open fire", nor "= Lions eat gazelles" nor "A/The lion is/Lions are the second largest cat". &= nbsp;And so on through countless other examples

A = joke I read in the newspaper today:

The teacher asks a student: "Nam= e three animals from Africa."
The student answers: "An elephant and two = lions."

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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