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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: .i la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e > In the booklet "What is Lojban?", the letterals are listed in this order: > > ' , . a b c d e f g i j k l m n o p r s t u v x y z I assume a child would learn the lojban alphabet in a different order. Presumably, the "punctuation" characters would come last, similarly to how e.g. the three special vowels in Swedish come last in the alphabet (å, ä, ö). I think it'd be a little odd if a child were to go ".y'y .i denpa bu .i .abu .i .ebu .i li'o..." :) So perhaps there could be another "educational" order, which would then also be used in the alphabet song (c'mon, every language needs an alphabet song!). [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (seladwa[at]gmx.de) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid .i la Jonathan Jones cu cusku di'e > In the booklet "What is Lojban?", the letterals are listed in this order: > > ' , . a b c d e f g i j k l m n o p r s t u v x y z I assume a child would learn the lojban alphabet in a different order.=20 Presumably, the "punctuation" characters would come last, similarly to=20 how e.g. the three special vowels in Swedish come last in the alphabet=20 (=C3=A5, =C3=A4, =C3=B6). I think it'd be a little odd if a child were to g= o ".y'y .i=20 denpa bu .i .abu .i .ebu .i li'o..." :) So perhaps there could be another "educational" order, which would then=20 also be used in the alphabet song (c'mon, every language needs an=20 alphabet song!). mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 pilno zo le xu .i lo dei bangu cu se cmene zo lojbo je nai zo lejbo do=E1=BB=8B m=C3=A8lbi mlen=C3=AC'u .i do c=C3=A0tlu ki'u ma fe la x=C3=A0mpre =C5=ADu .i do t=C3=ACnsa c=C3=A0rmi gi je s=C3=ACrji se t=C3=A0rmi .i ta=E1=BB=8B bo da'i pu c=C3=ACtka lo gr=C3=A0na ku . . --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.