Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:37450) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tdpuu-0003qK-DJ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:45 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf1366066obc.16 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=e6NhD9oVLvdvp4MRstFFfuxhMfNOxKhqScj/vNhkaU0=; b=MXpWEMWINtM9RdDDzRxja7pHDRCy+37aNOD2Q278FJjuDfIlTM+rifLX7SKfB6MS5G pNYptlPG8N6CI0W30jqguiM0qyZdW3dvbK3AHGesY50n822QOo0WPKCMlqY2xMXQxi46 0q1aHfRRTp2pgM1PXyVcqO71HVTJ60rJXYFWAUXG9BDVRrg/m6yJlhnw+xDW6cbEjuel i1NJolpVfuYfbb6Zkesk4k6ZoY+ROeesNyFDi3CsehP+ZdY1tnharIqF1vdjUlFs9sGK CSp6J1NSFmWHX7nVZG9UGe9HFWx8LMnmUZd2fMuaIocryEQCKkTQ6E4LyEO753azoCvN EJnQ== Received: by 10.49.63.164 with SMTP id h4mr4406168qes.39.1354140933806; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.15.233 with SMTP id a9ls3200639qed.51.gmail; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.142.9 with SMTP id h9mr2260694yhj.7.1354140933374; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.142.9 with SMTP id h9mr2260692yhj.7.1354140933364; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l20si1614641yhi.2.2012.11.28.14.15.33; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DC225CA1 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:15:32 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] One of the experiments about lojban and some failure of Languages Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:15:34 -0500 Message-ID: <1927004.zQOZ26e1EK@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-32-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <4c6ba53e-7502-484b-a93b-f6d52af5845c@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, November 28, 2012 15:03:40 Jonathan Jones wrote: > In the booklet "What is Lojban?", the letterals are listed in this order: > > ' , . a b c d e f g i j k l m n o p r s t u v x y z I think that denpa bu and slaka bu should not be letters of the alphabet. Denpa bu occurs only at the beginning or end of a word; slaka bu is ignored when determining if two words are the same. Y'y, on the other hand, has a sound, occurs within words, and makes a difference to what word something is. Pierre -- sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.