Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:61513) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Te672-0005Tu-Hr; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:31 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf1820751obc.16 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zRFPnEDXrqjtN6ws7iKk0K5hbRNb1zKzXRUTQxgr0G8=; b=TxHobi1kFshuecxkuVD1KQwX4ZlKfuz777LRI9w2ZdmxFHVuFYd6aMPbOllmV6eljq pfEEvoVX9k7UfMKTfPqip4dW4xKvurMnIwL2NrKj0cXM/Pus5b2oF62aVT2Z2yv29afd 2H+Xr+JYirV0+KLpUC+0IamjjjEfpccJDsAaWlBqzYHkMVywLe9Uw68D+7RZh44K1MAc 4p/m+X1DT0zpjnZv+7uoGtNqe1UlheB6JUHjpR4P2tEsXqtZX7K0pz1FUCc2cjECg59b oB169YNC/SXLWFc8uyCHxeO014WdOP2BjTOtw/d2+HUZ9ZslEdCgQzBwvoNjeUDtChve n27A== Received: by 10.50.163.3 with SMTP id ye3mr9327759igb.10.1354203189072; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.191.170 with SMTP id gz10ls5834281igc.24.gmail; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.181.233 with SMTP id dz9mr20840671igc.1.1354203187097; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.181.233 with SMTP id dz9mr20840670igc.1.1354203187070; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com (mail-oa0-f48.google.com [209.85.219.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x4si955955igm.0.2012.11.29.07.33.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.48; Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id h2so12779779oag.7 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.1.72 with SMTP id 8mr8087569obk.61.1354203186890; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.186.74 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] navni notes From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04462fe0e8883d04cfa3ff0c X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04462fe0e8883d04cfa3ff0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Except that "navni" officially refers to "inert gasses", not "noble gasses" Therefore, they are not necessarily elemental, and also nitrogen would actually likely be included, despite the fact that it has its own specific gismu, as well as stuff like http://www.conceptfire-uk.com/products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig541/ --gejyspa On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > Given that all the other ones were included, its exclusion feels > deliberate at a glance. > > > mu'o mi'e la latro'a > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Who says helium is not a navni? It most certainly is. It's solnavni. >> Lists of things in square brackets in definitions are not intended to >> be exhaustive, if that's what led you to that conclusion. >> --gejyspa >> >> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >>> Apparently the default type of navni is neon, and helium is not a type >>> of navni. 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=A0Except that "navni" officially refers to &quo= t;inert gasses", not "noble gasses" Therefore, they are not = necessarily elemental, and also nitrogen would actually likely be included,= despite the fact that it has its own specific gismu, as well as stuff like= =A0http://www.conceptfire-uk.com/products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig54= 1/
=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Wed, N= ov 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Given that all the other ones were included,= its exclusion feels deliberate at a glance.


mu= 9;o mi'e la latro'a

On Wed, Nov 28,= 2012 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0Who says helium is not a navni? It most certainly is. =A0It'= ;s solnavni. Lists of things in square brackets in definitions are not inte= nded to be=A0exhaustive, if that's what led you to that conclusion. =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently the default type of na= vni is neon, and helium is not a type of navni. Why are either of these the= case?

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