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That seems significantly less useful than having a term for "noble gases",
especially since nitrogen is actually not as inert as everyone intuitively
thinks--under very high pressure, gas tanks for human breathing need to use
noble gases rather than nitrogen, because under sufficient pressure
diatomic nitrogen begins reacting with our tissues.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>  Except that "navni" officially refers to "inert gasses", not "noble
> gasses" Therefore, they are not necessarily elemental, and also nitrogen
> would actually likely be included, despite the fact that it has its own
> specific gismu, as well as stuff like
> http://www.conceptfire-uk.com/products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig541/
>      --gejyspa
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Given that all the other ones were included, its exclusion feels
>> deliberate at a glance.
>>
>>
>> mu'o mi'e la latro'a
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky <
>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Who says helium is not a navni? It most certainly is.  It's solnavni.
>>> Lists of things in square brackets in definitions are not intended to
>>> be exhaustive, if that's what led you to that conclusion.
>>>                           --gejyspa
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently the default type of navni is neon, and helium is not a type
>>>> of navni. Why are either of these the case?
>>>>
>>>> mu'o mi'e la latro'a
>>>>
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That seems significantly less useful than having a term for &quot;noble gas=
es&quot;, especially since nitrogen is actually not as inert as everyone in=
tuitively thinks--under very high pressure, gas tanks for human breathing n=
eed to use noble gases rather than nitrogen, because under sufficient press=
ure diatomic nitrogen begins reacting with our tissues.<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0Except that &quot;navni&=
quot; officially refers to &quot;inert gasses&quot;, not &quot;noble gasses=
&quot; Therefore, they are not necessarily elemental, and also nitrogen wou=
ld actually likely be included, despite the fact that it has its own specif=
ic gismu, as well as stuff like=A0<a href=3D"http://www.conceptfire-uk.com/=
products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig541/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.concep=
tfire-uk.com/products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig541/</a><div>

=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbrav=
ado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Given that all the other ones were included,=
 its exclusion feels deliberate at a glance.<div><br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e =
la latro&#39;a<br>

<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:1=
5 AM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansk=
y@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>


</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">=A0Wh=
o says helium is not a navni? It most certainly is. =A0It&#39;s solnavni. L=
ists of things in square brackets in definitions are not intended to be=A0e=
xhaustive, if that&#39;s what led you to that conclusion.<div>



=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa<br><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ian Johnson <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Apparently the default type of na=
vni is neon, and helium is not a type of navni. Why are either of these the=
 case?<br>


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