Received: from mail-ia0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:42874) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Te9Te-0007Vj-0K; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:09:10 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f189.google.com with SMTP id b35sf8795882iac.16 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jpxRpbUQgSDxZf0CaUdfgurrc8yNZG0bcNU9C5Yqv4s=; b=B7PwK0YtnPEP4/2Eg7VjMq/iehDyi6G8IXbdbOlvSChZ9ZVD8JRJYmTWrvqbEQWHS9 yUTzU2LMc1rya2p5MGVmXveewYSQlYp4/fTafQY/wFGa2EdFuYDyeCznqb2nGFTP3QU4 lhOf7djtLGgwSjLlCZVc2Ch4zOUDWgcR6uUv61A3kdvaWLczHBb5axWcftfUluljxREY aQCeyG9scOu7FGI5rlcXfurpoS6WU6Rq1lFU/USgi3mzq/eM9p71b/T760P5tnYZCEBa tOVCi7cOyPpScnSv9/aN8b71FpmugQDJFU7Ri7cTGEa5afI3uNQCtogSyGTWKfHA41ci KMyA== Received: by 10.49.75.195 with SMTP id e3mr4942777qew.24.1354216122772; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.49.3 with SMTP id q3ls2336053qen.53.gmail; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.59.0.194 with SMTP id ba2mr7165089ved.19.1354216122291; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.59.0.194 with SMTP id ba2mr7165088ved.19.1354216122262; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f173.google.com (mail-vc0-f173.google.com [209.85.220.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bn19si771776vdb.0.2012.11.29.11.08.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.173; Received: by mail-vc0-f173.google.com with SMTP id fl17so7091325vcb.4 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.92.43 with SMTP id cj11mr28103145vdb.33.1354216122128; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.7.135 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:08:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] navni notes From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3071cf3ae897dc04cfa702f2 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3071cf3ae897dc04cfa702f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (To clarify, "very high pressure" in the sense above is not at all unusual when scuba diving.) mu'o mi'e la latro'a On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > That seems significantly less useful than having a term for "noble gases", > especially since nitrogen is actually not as inert as everyone intuitively > thinks--under very high pressure, gas tanks for human breathing need to use > noble gases rather than nitrogen, because under sufficient pressure > diatomic nitrogen begins reacting with our tissues. > > > mu'o mi'e la latro'a > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Michael Turniansky < > mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Except that "navni" officially refers to "inert gasses", not "noble >> gasses" Therefore, they are not necessarily elemental, and also nitrogen >> would actually likely be included, despite the fact that it has its own >> specific gismu, as well as stuff like >> http://www.conceptfire-uk.com/products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig541/ >> --gejyspa >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >> >>> Given that all the other ones were included, its exclusion feels >>> deliberate at a glance. >>> >>> >>> mu'o mi'e la latro'a >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Michael Turniansky < >>> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Who says helium is not a navni? It most certainly is. It's solnavni. >>>> Lists of things in square brackets in definitions are not intended to >>>> be exhaustive, if that's what led you to that conclusion. >>>> --gejyspa >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Apparently the default type of navni is neon, and helium is not a type >>>>> of navni. Why are either of these the case? >>>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e la latro'a >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3071cf3ae897dc04cfa702f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (To clarify, "very high pressure" in the sense above is not at al= l unusual when scuba diving.)

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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Ian Johnson = <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
That seems significantly less useful than ha= ving a term for "noble gases", especially since nitrogen is actua= lly not as inert as everyone intuitively thinks--under very high pressure, = gas tanks for human breathing need to use noble gases rather than nitrogen,= because under sufficient pressure diatomic nitrogen begins reacting with o= ur tissues.


mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM,= Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0Except that "navni&= quot; officially refers to "inert gasses", not "noble gasses= " Therefore, they are not necessarily elemental, and also nitrogen wou= ld actually likely be included, despite the fact that it has its own specif= ic gismu, as well as stuff like=A0http://www.concep= tfire-uk.com/products/inert-gas-ig55-inergen-ig541/
=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com= > wrote:
Given that all the other ones were included,= its exclusion feels deliberate at a glance.


mu'o mi'e = la latro'a

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:1= 5 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
=A0Wh= o says helium is not a navni? It most certainly is. =A0It's solnavni. L= ists of things in square brackets in definitions are not intended to be=A0e= xhaustive, if that's what led you to that conclusion.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently the default type of na= vni is neon, and helium is not a type of navni. Why are either of these the= case?

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