Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:38188) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TeaYR-0008AQ-Tm; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:03:49 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f189.google.com with SMTP id xn12sf892238obc.16 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:03:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SZ7RZdxojEim1rLT5p2QaOEE3q9sFzmma+jJZaMjn38=; b=loUeM22yIWEQCNm1qAiYl31HJ7IVCiYNDSlMfTNdbaiL/wWWm92DcKUmM/DHNrjRtv X4A1CbVOJap83Oco2s17JLRU+sKZc3bnIXaeRG/7ZGo+mUGApQvUZyCCSfq3Ui2IF+gk o8ngZ5/JKyZa54OQuFl5rcdktkkZbuzKvX9g/HfBocVhsQrAREOJvc7j+ctvEWoVIgF6 DlgOHNd/pV0zqapi6TkpBZGqxr1/JmFQzCRPzaAZWd1zKRBosDfXWAbPqrznRzFs+UeZ f6UBgutjYFus8jzagCv4L8sfsX8cZv22xunI4r/MPsmnGRr92NGMTd+OM4ZGzrd1Pxw2 fjlg== Received: by 10.50.108.200 with SMTP id hm8mr82294igb.10.1354320208719; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:03:28 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.15.168 with SMTP id y8ls212644igc.42.canary; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.193.198 with SMTP id hq6mr72520igc.10.1354320207330; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:03:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: entot To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8f8fac5c-9085-48eb-8793-d0e536e45f85@googlegroups.com> References: <98ac3a8c-7f91-4049-a8ee-128f9a947671@googlegroups.com> <60b24557-d28a-4330-91e2-4fa350f35cbd@googlegroups.com> <6cb197db-5690-48fb-8a88-3e633bb6f94b@googlegroups.com> <285a3908-97fd-4231-8767-479dd0779da8@googlegroups.com> <20121113171712.GG22972@sunflowerriver.org> <699d8b9d-2f04-4a0a-b2cf-a9f498ac19fd@googlegroups.com> <20121113194725.GL22972@sunflowerriver.org> <7c389416-3ceb-4d21-9b6b-e4e1cb5d312f@googlegroups.com> <2d4db499-3585-4456-b7c7-6a6846d6bcee@googlegroups.com> <8f8fac5c-9085-48eb-8793-d0e536e45f85@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: ento.entotto@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_94_29837853.1354320206487" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_94_29837853.1354320206487 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It's not a question of if the default language is English or not. It's a question of whether we present a Lojban-only page to a newcomer. I think showing a Lojbanic interface and Lojban-only content to a newcomer is not friendly. If the primary language is Lojban, are you, doi la gleki. .e la .iesk., fine with importing all the pages from TWiki to LMW? Lots of them are in English. ni'o I'm holding off any work I said or hinted I'd be doing (working on the community portal and migrating) until I get a clear picture of what the site organization is going to be [1]: * Who is the target audience? * What content will it have, in what language? As far as I understand, there are two interests at hand: * Target audience: Lojban speakers * Content: Anything in Lojban? / Translation projects, Lojbanic writings, Lojbanists index * Target audience: Lojban learners * Content: Learning materials in English and other languages around the world If this is the case, I think it's not out of the question to maintain two separate wikis for each: lojban.org and ckule.lojban.org. In MediaWiki, there is a way to share the extensions folder and such to lessen the admininstrative task. If there are corresponding pages between the two, they can be linked to each other in the way Wikipedia links pages in other languages. Any thoughts? [1] This is partly an excuse to focus my time on helping CLL1.1; I'm not a good multitasker. mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/WVY700YM5_kJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_94_29837853.1354320206487 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not a question of if the default language is English or not. It's= a question of whether we present a Lojban-only page to a newcomer. I think= showing a Lojbanic interface and Lojban-only content to a newcomer is not = friendly.

If the primary language is Lojban, are y= ou, doi la gleki. .e la .iesk., fine with importing all the pages from TWik= i to LMW? Lots of them are in English.

ni'o
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I'm holding off any work I said or hinted I'd be doing (= working on the community portal and migrating) until I get a clear picture = of what the site organization is going to be [1]:

= * Who is the target audience?
* What content will it have, in wha= t language?

As far as I understand, there are two = interests at hand:

* Target audience: Lojban speak= ers
* Content: Anything in Lojban? / Translation projects, Lojban= ic writings, Lojbanists index

* Target audience: L= ojban learners
* Content: Learning materials in English and other= languages around the world

If this is the case, I= think it's not out of the question to maintain two separate wikis for each= : lojban.org and ckule.lojban.org. In MediaWiki, there is a way to share th= e extensions folder and such to lessen the admininstrative task. If there a= re corresponding pages between the two, they can be linked to each other in= the way Wikipedia links pages in other languages.

Any thoughts?

[1] This is partly an excuse to foc= us my time on helping CLL1.1; I'm not a good multitasker.

mu'o

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