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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the
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Le samedi 1 d=E9cembre 2012 01:03:26 UTC+1, entot a =E9crit :
>
> It's not a question of if the default language is English or not. It's a=
=20
> question of whether we present a Lojban-only page to a newcomer. I think=
=20
> showing a Lojbanic interface and Lojban-only content to a newcomer is not=
=20
> friendly.
>
(I guess its 'friendlier' than piping interested people through English=20
when it isn't necessary.)
=20

>
> If the primary language is Lojban, are you, doi la gleki. .e la .iesk.,=
=20
> fine with importing all the pages from TWiki to LMW? Lots of them are in=
=20
> English.
>

Since I have so far not contributed anything useful to LMW, my opinion does=
=20
not weigh much.

I repeat that my idea of the wiki was that there be no 'primary language'=
=20
for content pages. Everybody would write pages in the language(s) of their=
=20
preference. I don't think it likely that there will be systematic=20
translations of all LMW pages in all LMW languages (whichever that may be).=
=20
Most content will probably be in English anyway (TWiki imports included),=
=20
who would translate all that stuff? So why not have a page in, say, French,=
=20
link to relevant pages in, say, English, Lojban, =85  I have been arguing=
=20
*against* any primary language, because that would, to my understanding,=20
mean that you have to write (or wait for somebody to write) a page about=20
'broda' in the primary language before you can add a page about 'broda' in=
=20
the language that you want.

=20

>
> ni'o
>
> I'm holding off any work I said or hinted I'd be doing (working on the=20
> community portal and migrating) until I get a clear picture of what the=
=20
> site organization is going to be [1]:
>
> * Who is the target audience?
> * What content will it have, in what language?
>
> As far as I understand, there are two interests at hand:
>
> * Target audience: Lojban speakers
> * Content: Anything in Lojban? / Translation projects, Lojbanic writings,=
=20
> Lojbanists index
>
> * Target audience: Lojban learners
> * Content: Learning materials in English and other languages around the=
=20
> world
>

I na=EFvely thought of a home for all things Lojbanic. ;)
=20

>
> If this is the case, I think it's not out of the question to maintain two=
=20
> separate wikis for each: lojban.org and ckule.lojban.org. In MediaWiki,=
=20
> there is a way to share the extensions folder and such to lessen the=20
> admininstrative task. If there are corresponding pages between the two,=
=20
> they can be linked to each other in the way Wikipedia links pages in othe=
r=20
> languages.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> [1] This is partly an excuse to focus my time on helping CLL1.1; I'm not =
a=20
> good multitasker.
>
> mu'o
>

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Le samedi 1 d=E9cembre 2012 01:03:26 UTC+1, entot a =E9crit&nbsp;:<blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left:=
 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div>It's not a question of if the defa=
ult language is English or not. It's a question of whether we present a Loj=
ban-only page to a newcomer. I think showing a Lojbanic interface and Lojba=
n-only content to a newcomer is not friendly.</div></blockquote><div>(I gue=
ss its 'friendlier' than piping interested people through English when it i=
sn't necessary.)<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;=
"><div><br></div><div>If the primary language is Lojban, are you, doi la gl=
eki. .e la .iesk., fine with importing all the pages from TWiki to LMW? Lot=
s of them are in English.</div></blockquote><div><br>Since I have so far no=
t contributed anything useful to LMW, my opinion does not weigh much.<br><b=
r>I repeat that my idea of the wiki was that there be no 'primary language'=
 for content pages. Everybody would write pages in the language(s) of their=
 preference. I don't think it likely that there will be systematic translat=
ions of all LMW pages in all LMW languages (whichever that may be). Most co=
ntent will probably be in English anyway (TWiki imports included), who woul=
d translate all that stuff? So why not have a page in, say, French, link to=
 relevant pages in, say, English, Lojban, =85&nbsp; I have been arguing *ag=
ainst* any primary language, because that would, to my understanding, mean =
that you have to write (or wait for somebody to write) a page about 'broda'=
 in the primary language before you can add a page about 'broda' in the lan=
guage that you want.<br></div><div><br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><br></div><div>ni'o</div><div><br></div><div>I'm =
holding off any work I said or hinted I'd be doing (working on the communit=
y portal and migrating) until I get a clear picture of what the site organi=
zation is going to be [1]:</div><div><br></div><div>* Who is the target aud=
ience?</div><div>* What content will it have, in what language?</div><div><=
br></div><div>As far as I understand, there are two interests at hand:</div=
><div><br></div><div>* Target audience: Lojban speakers</div><div>* Content=
: Anything in Lojban? / Translation projects, Lojbanic writings, Lojbanists=
 index</div><div><br></div><div>* Target audience: Lojban learners</div><di=
v>* Content: Learning materials in English and other languages around the w=
orld</div></blockquote><div><br>I na=EFvely thought of a home for all thing=
s Lojbanic. ;)<br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">=
<div><br></div><div>If this is the case, I think it's not out of the questi=
on to maintain two separate wikis for each: <a href=3D"http://lojban.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">lojban.org</a> and <a href=3D"http://ckule.lojban.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">ckule.lojban.org</a>. In MediaWiki, there is a way to share =
the extensions folder and such to lessen the admininstrative task. If there=
 are corresponding pages between the two, they can be linked to each other =
in the way Wikipedia links pages in other languages.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Any thoughts?</div><div><br></div><div>[1] This is partly an excuse to f=
ocus my time on helping CLL1.1; I'm not a good multitasker.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>mu'o</div></blockquote>

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