On Monday, November 26, 2012 5:21:48 AM UTC+4, Marc Laporte= wrote:

Hi!

Re-sen= ding message below as I got an error message the first time I posted and I = am not sure it got through. (and no one replied after 9 days)

Best regards,

M ;-)

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Marc Laporte <marcl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi!
I am a project admin for Tiki and I'd like to share some information.=

1- On this list, some refer to Twiki and some to Tiki. These are two di= stinct projects.
Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware (or just Tiki) is in PHP=A0 http://tiki.org
Twiki is in Perl=A0=A0 http://twiki.org

It'= ;s important that you know this, so if you do some research and comparison,= you'll be looking at the right tool.

2- Changing tools takes time & energy and data is lost. What fe= atures are you missing in Tiki?

Tiki has been for several years now,= the Free and Open Source Web Application with the most built-in features http://tiki.org/FOSS+Web+Application+with+th= e+most+built-in+features

Let me repeat that to be very clear. Of all the web applications in the=20 World, Tiki is the FOSS web app with the most built-in features. Chances are, what you need/want is just a checkbox away. You can use for much=20 more than just a wiki but everything to do with the community (forums,=20 blog, calendar, issue/task tracker, etc.)

2a) "I can't embe= d=20 pictures on tiki pages like on MediaWiki" -> embedding pictures=20 exists, just need to activate. All wikis handle pictures!=A0 And coming to Tiki10 (now in Alpha): the World's first full-featured both Open Sourc= e and Web-based screencasting solution: http://doc.tiki.org/Screencast=A0=A0=20 Not only can it take a snapshot of your desktop, you can even draw on=20 the image, or even record your screen with audio!=A0=A0 Having audio=20 recordings of Lojban terms in wiki pages would be cool, no?

2b) &quo= t;MediaWiki seems to provide better editing support and, most importantly, = a place to shove all of our discussions"

Tiki has:
http://doc.tiki.org/Com= ments
http://do= c.tiki.org/Inline+comments

Please let me know what better= editing support you need.

The wiki toolbar (with buttons for bold, italic, etc.) is not activated on=20 lojban.org=A0=A0=A0 Go = try demo.tiki.org to= see what it's like normally.
http://doc.tiki.org/Toolbar

2c) "fresh start"

Tiki has a powerful category system. You could categorize all pages, and=20 from the category, have a different theme or permissions. So eventually, old pages can be kept but not visible by anonymous users.
http://doc.tiki.org/Category<= /a>

This permits a fresh start without the risk of duplicating data.=

3- Tiki has superb multilingual handling. It's all detailed here:http://wiki-translation.com/= tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=3D55&download=3Dy=

I challenge anyone to find a more advanced system. I presented several = times, including at the latest WikiMania:
https://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Cros= s-lingual_Wiki_Engine

No one has anything like this. Wikipedia has a different instance for each language. This makes it difficult to do content tracking, although they have a system to track the corresponding page-link in the other=20 language. But this means that you need to add a new MediaWiki instance=20 for each language. In Tiki, you just add a page, and no extra work is=20 needed to add a new language.

4- Here is an example of a community t= han went from MediaWiki to Tiki, to have more features:
http://www.ogre= 3d.org/tikiwiki/Ogre+Wiki+Help

Not only is Tiki the web app with the most built-in features, no other=20 major CMS / Web app has released more major versions in the last 4 year:* 2009-05: http://= doc.tiki.org/Tiki3 LTS
* 2009-11: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki4
* 2010-06: http://d= oc.tiki.org/Tiki5
* 2010-11: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki6 LTS
* 2011-06: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki7=
* 2011-11: http://d= oc.tiki.org/Tiki8
* 2012-06: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki9 LTS
* 2012-11: http://doc.tiki.org/Tiki10 (in alpha at the moment)

To be fair, WordPress also had 8 major releases during the same=20 approximative time frame (http://wordpress.org/about/roadmap/). More=20 recently than Tiki, Typo3 and Joomla! have moved to a 6-month release=20 cycle. But in all these cases, with their extension-based model, not all features are ready at the same time. And sometimes, extensions are=20 never ported to the next version. Thanks to the Tiki model, we have=20 inherent synchronized releases
http://tiki.org/Model#Inhe= rent_synchronized_releases

With over 50% of browser usage on the rapid release cycle (Chrome and=20 Firefox), it makes perfect sense for web applications to have a rapid=20 release cycle as well. Tiki is well positioned to take advantage of all=20 the innovations! However, some people are happy with the current feature set, and Long Term Support (LTS) versions were introduced in 2009, and=20 more recently, we doubled the support period:=20 http:/= /info.tiki.org/Version+Lifecycle

Tiki turned 10 years old= last month
http://info.tiki.org/article201-A-Decade-of-Tiki<= /a>

Tiki reached 500 contributors with commit access (top project on Source= Forge.net)
http://info.tiki.org/<= /u>article188-Tiki-reaches-500-contributors-with-commit-acces= s
=A0 =A0=A0 Listen to the podcast!

Tiki Passed 1 Million Downloadshttp://info.tiki.org/article192-Tiki-Passes-1-Million-Downloads

Tiki wins People's Choice: Best Free CMS of the CMS Critic's aw= ards
https://info.tiki.org/article206= -Tiki-wins-People-s-Choice-Best-Free-CMS

Tiki was named best "Best Web Tool" by WebHostingSearch.comhttp://info.tiki.org/article197-Tiki-Named-Best-Web-Tool

And for previous news, see 2011 Year in Review:
http://info.t= iki.org/article181-2011-Year-in-Review

I think you'll= agree: it's pretty impressive!

And Tiki has features that MediaWiki will never have.

There is a= lso the Interactive Translation feature: http://doc.tiki.org/Interact= ive+Translation
This permits web-based, in-context translations of the interface. So=20 community members can translate not only the content but also the app to Lojban!

So I suggest:

1- Make a list of what you want
2- = Upgrade Tiki to latest version=A0 (your version seems to be 2 years old)3- Then, decide to keep or change.

Best regards,

M ;-)

PS. Below is a copy-paste of a generic list of Top Reasons to Use Tiki:=

A confident and future-proof choice :
Over a million downloads and count= ing
Tiki has been nominated for, and received, several award= s
Uses top-notch Underlying technologies:
PHP scripting language
MySQL or MariaDB database
Smarty template engine
jQuery JavaScript library
Zend Framework
A vibrant community
IRC chat room, discussion forums, documentation, etc.
If you want hired help, or want to offer services, there is a Tiki Service Provider program
Tiki is a community recursively building a community management s= ystem, which is called Dogfooding
Tons of features:
Over 1,500 unique features/options making it the Free and Open Source Web Application with the most b= uilt-in features
Ideal for most use cases, such as Collaboration, Publishing,=20 Commerce, Social networking, Office productivity tools, E-learning, etc.
Has the breadth and depth to most likely address your specific needs as it has been developed through the collaborative work of=20 hundreds of contributors for over 10 years.
Features are built-in
No need to research, choose, download and install additional m= odules/extensions/plugins: There is no feature duplication. All the features are built-in,=20 collaboratively maintained by the community, so you avoid the pain of=20 abandoned modules/plugins/extensions.
Everything works with everything: The whole=20 community collaborates on the features instead of having=20 modules/extensions/plugins which may have incompatibilities. Turn=20 everything on and it will work. Try that with=20 modules/extensions/plugins!
Quick timely upgrades: When a new version of Tiki comes ou= t, you can upgrade right away and all the features are available.
Interoperable:
Can run on any Operating System (W= indows, Mac or Linux)
Works with any browser
Interoperability with a very large number of on= line services, complementary software, technologies and standards.
Open Collaboration: If you need a new feature, j= oin the community and let's work together. If you are a developer, chec= k out How to get commit access
Innovation: For the latest and greatest and=20 quick access to new features, use the rapid release cycle, with 2 new=20 major releases per year. No other major web applications has had more=20 major releases since 2008. On average, developers update the code (with=20 new features and fixes) over a dozen times every day.
Stability: For a super stable system with very few changes= : Use the Long Term Support (LTS) versions, which is supported for 3.5 year= s.
Easy install: You can use the 1-click installers. All the = features, languages, etc. are available in the basic install.
Easy to configure : All features/options are activated fro= m the web-based control panel.
Adaptable: By default, only a small number of basic, commonly-used features appear in the control panel. As your=20 needs grow, you can also display advanced and experimental=20 features/options.
Easy upgrades: Upgrade from any past version to any suppor= ted version in one step. (so you can upgrade from 2.x to 15.x)
No need to deal with diverse release dates of core software vs mod= ules/plugins/extensions
No lock-in: Community supported, no single vendo= r.
Free: free & open source software, licensed as LGPL.

On Friday, 16 November 2012 01:25:53 UTC-5, iesk wr= ote:
How about
- not using a tran= slation extension;
- setting the default (=3D menu display and so on) language to Lojban (logg= ed in users may be able to change it for themselves);
- letting everybod= y write in what language(s) (s)he prefers;
- using tags ('categories= '?) like 'eng', 'deu', 'jbo', ... whatever;
- preparing templates like 'This is a translation of [[bla]].' or &#= 39;Cf.=20 [[corresponding page]] in [[language]].' to be used where seen fit?
A= bit chaotic perhaps, but less demanding for users/editors, I believe.
<= p>-iesk

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