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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb202760aea3504d01d1be5 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb202760aea3504d01d1be5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (Completely unrelated to everything, my archives of the various Lojban lists to which I am a member go back to 2007 or the start of the list, whichever is most recent. Since my membership predates the move to Google Groups, I believe that means my archives may be even more complete than those on the groups' pages.) Perusing through my archives, I stumbled upon the first message I ever received from the Lojban Beginner's list, way back in February of 2007: Hi, Lojbanist > > Welcome to the 'lojban-beginners' mailing list. The purpose of > this list is NOT to act as a forum for any and all topics that > beginners wish to discuss. Rather, it is intended to give > beginners a place to ask questions, knowing that many people > (capable of answering) are watching. If you want to post other > material (your logo idea, how Lojban ought to be changed, things > that the Logical Language Group ought to do), lojban-beginners > is NOT the best place. It is an ineffective place to post such > material, as you have only a subset of the community reading > what you write. Please send it to the main Lojban list. > > Do read the remainder of this message, I've tried to make it a > bit more useful than most mailing list subscription messages. > > First however, there is boring stuff: > > You can access your mailing list subscription information on > the web at: http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > (You can also subscribe to other Lojban mailing lists here.) > > The address to use so you can send mail to the list is: > lojban-beginners@lojban.org > > And, when you no longer want to be a member of the mailing list, > send a message to the address: > lojban-beginners-request@lojban.org > with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject. > > If you unsubscribe, please take a moment to let me know why. > I promise I won't bug you about it, but by knowing why you > leave the list, maybe I'll be able to do what needs to be > done to prevent others leaving for the same reason. > > If you're not entirely sure what Lojban is, but you definitely > want to find out, read Nick Nicholas' introductory brochure: > http://www.lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure/book1.html > > Now, there are some Lojban educational resources of which you > should be aware: > > First, Nick Nicholas (and Robin Turner)'s lessons: > http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons-utf/book1.html > > And the very old and sort of out-of-date draft textbook: > http://lojban.org/publications/draft_textbook.html > > The official reference grammar is also very important, though it > can be a bit hard at first, since it wasn't really intended as an > educational resource: > http://lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar.html > > There is also a Lojban Wiki set up, which has a lot of up to date > information, more or less condensed: > http://wiki.lojban.org/ > > RULES: > > 1] Play nice. > > 2] Arguing about the language goes to the main Lojban list. > (If you're a beginner, keep in mind that there are a lot of > people who aren't. They know what they're talking about.) > > 3] All content must be connected to Lojban. In fact, it should > be related to the activity of learning Lojban. (Hence the > "-beginners" in the name.) > > 4] Please, don't send an email to the list upon joining asking > how active the list is. If you want to introduce yourself, > then by all means, do so! The list is just as active as it > needs to be, and there are plenty of people on it who are > available to help you out. > > Thank you, for your interest in Lojban. > > And if you have any questions about Lojban or Lojbanic resources, > please, ask me or the mailing list. Thats why we're here! (We really > really do want to help!) If you have questions about this list, though > ask me, *not* the list! lojban-beginners isn't an appropriate forum > for meta-discussion about lojban-beginners. > > (Please note that the list administration reserves the right to > moderate and edit posts to keep them on topic, appropriate, and > polite.) > > --- > Ecartis v1.0.0 - job execution complete. Since this was way back before we moved to Google Groups, I was wondering, do new joiners still get a message like this? If not, is it possible to make it so they do, and if it is, why haven't we done it? -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8fb202760aea3504d01d1be5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Completely unrelated to everything, my archives of the various Lojban list= s to which I am a member go back to 2007 or the start of the list, whicheve= r is most recent. Since my membership predates the move to Google Groups, I= believe that means my archives may be even more complete than those on the= groups' pages.)

Perusing through my archives, I stumbled upon the first message I ever = received from the Lojban Beginner's list, way back in February of 2007:=

Hi, Lojbanist

Welcome to the 'lojban-beginners' mailing list. The purpose of
this list is NOT to act as a forum for any and all topics that
beginners wish to discuss. Rather, it is intended to give
beginners a place to ask questions, knowing that many people
(capable of answering) are watching. If you want to post other
material (your logo idea, how Lojban ought to be changed, things
that the Logical Language Group ought to do), lojban-beginners
is NOT the best place. It is an ineffective place to post such
material, as you have only a subset of the community reading
what you write. Please send it to the main Lojban list.

Do read the remainder of this message, I've tried to make it a
bit more useful than most mailing list subscription messages.

First however, there is boring stuff:

You can access your mailing list subscription information on
the web at: http:= //www.lojban.org/lsg2/
(You can also subscribe to other Lojban mailing lists here.)

The address to use so you can send mail to the list is:
lojban-beginners@lojban.org<= /a>

And, when you no longer want to be a member of the mailing list,
send a message to the address:
lojban-beginners-req= uest@lojban.org
with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject.

If you unsubscribe, please take a moment to let me know why.
I promise I won't bug you about it, but by knowing why you
leave the list, maybe I'll be able to do what needs to be
done to prevent others leaving for the same reason.

If you're not entirely sure what Lojban is, but you definitely
want to find out, read Nick Nicholas' introductory brochure:
http://www.lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure/book1.h= tml

Now, there are some Lojban educational resources of which you
should be aware:

First, Nick Nicholas (and Robin Turner)'s lessons:
http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojban= brochure/lessons-utf/book1.html

And the very old and sort of out-of-date draft textbook:
http://lojban.org/publications/draft_textbook.html

The official reference grammar is also very important, though it
can be a bit hard at first, since it wasn't really intended as an
educational resource:
http://lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar.html

There is also a Lojban Wiki set up, which has a lot of up to date
information, more or less condensed:
http://wiki.lojban.or= g/

RULES:

1] Play nice.

2] Arguing about the language goes to the main Lojban list.
=A0 =A0(If you're a beginner, keep in mind that there are a lot of
=A0 =A0people who aren't. They know what they're talking about.)
3] All content must be connected to Lojban. In fact, it should
=A0 =A0be related to the activity of learning Lojban. (Hence the
=A0 =A0"-beginners" in the name.)

4] Please, don't send an email to the list upon joining asking
=A0 =A0how active the list is. If you want to introduce yourself,
=A0 =A0then by all means, do so! The list is just as active as it
=A0 =A0needs to be, and there are plenty of people on it who are
=A0 =A0available to help you out.

Thank you, for your interest in Lojban.

And if you have any questions about Lojban or Lojbanic resources,
please, ask me or the mailing list. Thats why we're here! (We really really do want to help!) If you have questions about this list, though
ask me, *not* the list! lojban-beginners isn't an appropriate forum
for meta-discussion about lojban-beginners.

(Please note that the list administration reserves the right to
moderate and edit posts to keep them on topic, appropriate, and
polite.)

---
Ecartis v1.0.0 - job execution complete.


Since thi= s was way back before we moved to Google Groups, I was wondering, do new jo= iners still get a message like this? If not, is it possible to make it so t= hey do, and if it is, why haven't we done it?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima l= o pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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