Received: from mail-da0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:58458) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Th2ar-0005QH-2l; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:18 -0800 Received: by mail-da0-f61.google.com with SMTP id z8sf411941dad.16 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Nm5Y1rr/Zp3/qRdOZV8xDX6TLoCNwXUpDhJ6pmSBl+0=; b=JejlolDEY28oMGikoGFLNm/PmhQC2V8TmV00Bb2Iek6mAbqLY9aYUJlbQjYc+oS95b KzdpkqKkXBJ29/oBelL2oRhAn7lP1Jp5WHhCVbAH4TDo620FHhRL3I9J/HR6fvCTwPlA zLT3/pLiEe6fWYKdCNL1QGiMChX5yVquc8pE0wCSuNAjl6gpV+qFV0DIaevhdIOyXveo ORf7eU0fFil3xbqWP/pDdmu+eFYdlvVM7R97sf5NA3nbaJ8/V63F8gURIcxT+6H6zmqF GYW5abtqAFUrV5xcDMKyXPftAOc6LeZB+8BzJq6vNIuxfCGG85hyLXRP3sgSMagq6BCD uBIw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Nm5Y1rr/Zp3/qRdOZV8xDX6TLoCNwXUpDhJ6pmSBl+0=; b=ETCvxaMk5xMq7vwQofI2tjB3LR4eL5dPgRVAaBGMxdn3X/2zRo1NZACwoxd87FYvP7 xqTCdwOR6yAqk7jkOba1DRSJfafFe4kSL9eeAJyoU6ZEe6AIvKq5ohQLqwboS3WCEGx9 SFpx7/HL6DU2UiLYX935Vn6Jb2v01mrjWo3710CVdLImBRv2VBd4p0M9qdjG85k5RzjK zDSHFnfWgC0fMCmccZJBmurA1n2aZxYZ9kh+sbK5MSZkHiwbnulTOXk2HnziJRULHygE YXhtzsZ413wrBq/fumSc3pWijg/5+JXdq2T/gJiMTw38CdXeFh7xjFySn1yxAvHLfErq IAug== Received: by 10.49.94.99 with SMTP id db3mr1305833qeb.2.1354904646566; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.72.225 with SMTP id g1ls2087237qev.15.gmail; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.92.36 with SMTP id cj4mr2090424veb.21.1354904645033; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.92.36 with SMTP id cj4mr2090423veb.21.1354904645003; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com (mail-vc0-f177.google.com [209.85.220.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dj17si1962033vdb.1.2012.12.07.10.24.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.177; Received: by mail-vc0-f177.google.com with SMTP id m8so666007vcd.36 for ; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.249.201 with SMTP id yw9mr4516804vec.10.1354904644882; Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:24:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <00e7c936-0171-4993-879a-319416b83212@googlegroups.com> References: <00e7c936-0171-4993-879a-319416b83212@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 13:24:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Elementary-particle physics. 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From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacc07e1012ac04d04752cb X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bacc07e1012ac04d04752cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The semantics of the natural language words are rather complicated, and discussing them thoroughly in their common Lojban name would require essentially discussing a large chunk of the Standard Model whenever discussing quarks or basic particle physics. This would be analogous to always using IUPAC or SMILES notation to describe chemical names, except even worse. There's a reason natlangs use common names! That said, I am skeptical as to whether we even need in-language technical jargon like this. Many natlangs don't have it and instead rely on English or similar intermediate languages for such purposes already. mu'o mi'e la latro'a On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM, shanoxilt < osiris_hades_deathland@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Friday, December 7, 2012 9:54:04 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >> >> *Atom* >> >> atom >> >> ratni >> >> atomic nucleus >> >> ratnymidju >> >> nuclide (i.e., specific configuration of Z-value, N-value, and energy >> state for a particular atomic nucleus) >> >> >> >> atomic electron cloud >> >> lektonydilnu >> >> orbital state (i.e., state and behavior of an electron based on its >> orbital probability distribution) >> >> lektonydilnu tcini >> >> behavioral state/effect of atomic electron cloud, i.e., photon-mediated >> attractive force (Coulomb force) >> >> lektonydilnu se rinka >> >> isotone >> >> mintu sekai lo ka lo nurtoni poi cmima lo se rutni be ce=92u >> >> isobar >> >> mintu teryratni >> >> nuclear isomer / nuclear energy state >> >> stodyfrica rutni / frica fi loka nejni lo ka stodi / mintu sekai lo ka >> rutni ce=92u ce=92u??? >> >> stable nuclide >> >> >> >> isotope >> >> mintu selyratni >> >> ground state of nuclide >> >> >> >> excited state or nuclide >> >> >> >> mirror nucleus >> >> >> >> unstable/radioactive/radionuclide >> >> >> >> *Particles* >> >> fermion >> >> fermioni >> >> anti-fermion >> >> tolfermioni >> >> boson >> >> jbozoni >> >> boson. fundamental =93force=94 (e.g., electromagnetism, strong, weak, >> gravity, dark energy) >> >> jbozoni nu vlipa >> >> quark >> >> kuarko >> >> anti-quark >> >> tolkuarko >> >> =93string=94 (from string theory) >> >> stringo >> >> vibration of =93string=94 (from string theory) >> >> stringo nu vlipa >> >> lepton >> >> leptoni >> >> anti-lepton >> >> tolyleptoni >> >> acceleron (hypothetical particle associated with theories of dark energy= ) >> >> akceleroni >> >> dark energy (i.e., counter-gravitational =93force=94 that is acceleratin= g the >> expansion of the universe >> >> akceleroni nejni/nu vlipa >> >> *quark=92s =93flavor=94 and =93color=94* >> >> up >> >> galtu >> >> charm >> >> semanci >> >> top >> >> galtytraji >> >> red >> >> xunre >> >> green >> >> crino >> >> blue >> >> blanu >> >> bottom >> >> dizlytraji >> >> strange >> >> cizra >> >> down >> >> dizlo >> >> *the particular type of lepton (or anti-lepton):* >> >> muon >> >> cmuioni >> >> charged lepton (i.e., non-neutrino lepton) >> >> >> >> tau lepton, tauon >> >> ctauoni >> >> electron >> >> lektoni >> >> electron neutrino >> >> leknurtini >> >> muon neutrino >> >> cmunurtini >> >> tau neutrino >> >> ctanurtini >> >> neutrino (i.e., any of the three types) >> >> nurtini >> >> *the particular type of boson and/or its associated interaction or >> =93force=94 :* >> >> graviton/gravity >> >> gravitoni >> >> weak gauge boson (i.e., either the W+, the W-, or the Z) / the weak >> interaction or force >> >> uigbozoni >> >> photon [as associated with electrical phenomenon] / electricity >> >> gusnioni >> >> W+ boson / the weak interaction or force as mediated by the W+ boson (us= e >> PLV1/1 suffix to indicate the W- boson) >> >> >> >> photon / electromagnetism >> >> >> >> Z-zero boson / the weak interaction or force as mediated by the Z-zero >> boson >> >> nonbozoni >> >> Higgs boson / Higgs mechanism >> >> xigzoni >> >> gluon / the strong interaction or color force >> >> gluioni >> >> *the supersymetrical partner of the particular particle (i.e., its >> =93sparticle=94 counterpart)* >> >> Supersymmetry >> >> trajylanxyvelminra >> >> photino >> >> gusniino >> >> gluino >> >> gluiino >> >> gravitino >> >> gravitino >> >> slepton >> >> leptiino >> >> squark >> >> kuarkiino >> >> sneutrino >> >> nurtiino >> >> >> > .i'e nai The section about quark teminology is just a direct translation > of the English words! > > We need Lojban terms that describe what these properties are/do, not > arbitrary words ripped from natural languages. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/ratWwei-l9QJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --047d7bacc07e1012ac04d04752cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The semantics of the natural language words are rather complicated, and dis= cussing them thoroughly in their common Lojban name would require essential= ly discussing a large chunk of the Standard Model whenever discussing quark= s or basic particle physics. This would be analogous to always using IUPAC = or SMILES notation to describe chemical names, except even worse. There'= ;s a reason natlangs use common names!

That said, I am skeptical as to whether we even need in-language techni= cal jargon like this. Many natlangs don't have it and instead rely on E= nglish or similar intermediate languages for such purposes already.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On F= ri, Dec 7, 2012 at 12:25 PM, shanoxilt <osiris_hades_deat= hland@hotmail.com> wrote:

=
On Friday, December 7, 2012 9:54:04 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:

Atom

atom

ratni

atomic nucleus

ratnymidju

nuclide (i.e., specific configuration of Z-value, = N-value, and energy state for a particular atomic nucleus)

=A0

atomic electron cloud

lektonydilnu

orbital state (i.e., state and behavior of an elec= tron based on its orbital probability distribution)

lektonydilnu tcini

behavioral state/effect of atomic electron cloud, = i.e., photon-mediated attractive force (Coulomb force)

lektonydilnu se rinka

isotone

mintu sekai lo ka lo nurtoni poi cmima lo se rutni= be ce=92u

isobar

mintu teryratni

nuclear isomer / nuclear energy state

stodyfrica rutni / frica fi loka nejni lo ka stodi= / mintu sekai lo ka rutni ce=92u ce=92u???

stable nuclide

=A0

isotope

mintu selyratni

ground state of nuclide

=A0

excited state or nuclide

=A0

mirror nucleus

=A0

unstable/radioactive/radionuclide

=A0

Particles

fermion

fermioni

anti-fermion

tolfermioni

boson

jbozoni

boson. fundamental =93force=94 (e.g., electromagnetism, strong, weak, gravity, dark energy)<= /p>

jbozoni nu vlipa

quark

kuarko

anti-quark

tolkuarko

=93string=94 (from string theory)

stringo

vibration of =93string=94 (from string theory)

stringo nu vlipa

lepton

leptoni

anti-lepton

tolyleptoni

acceleron (hypothetical particle associated with t= heories of dark energy)

akceleroni

dark energy (i.e., counter-gravitational =93force= =94 that is accelerating the expansion of the universe

akceleroni nejni/nu vlipa

qu= ark=92s =93flavor=94 and =93color=94

up

galtu

charm

semanci

top

galtytraji

red

xunre

green

crino

blue

blanu

bottom

dizlytraji

strange

cizra

down

dizlo

th= e particular type of lepton (or anti-lepton):

muon

cmuioni

charged lepton (i.e., non-neutrino lepton)

=A0

tau lepton, tauon

ctauoni

electron

lektoni

electron neutrino

leknurtini

muon neutrino

cmunurtini

tau neutrino

ctanurtini

neutrino (i.e., any of the three types)

nurtini

th= e particular type of boson and/or its associated interaction or =93force=94 :

graviton/gravity

gravitoni

weak gauge boson (i.e., either the W+, the W-, or = the Z) / the weak interaction or force

uigbozoni

photon [as associated with electrical phenomenon] = / electricity

gusnioni

W+ boson / the weak interaction or force as mediat= ed by the W+ boson (use PLV1/1 suffix to indicate the W- boson)

=A0

photon / electromagnetism

=A0

Z-zero boson / the weak interaction or force as me= diated by the Z-zero boson=A0

nonbozoni

Higgs boson / Higgs mechanism=A0

xigzoni

gluon / the strong interaction or color force

gluioni

th= e supersymetrical partner of the particular particle (i.e., its =93sparticle=94 counterpart)

Supersymmetry

trajylanxyvelminra

photino

gusniino

gluino

gluiino

gravitino

gravitino

slepton

leptiino

squark

kuarkiino

sneutrino

nurtiino

=A0

.i'e nai The section about quark teminology is just a dire= ct translation of the English words!

We need Lojb= an terms that describe what these properties are/do, not arbitrary words ri= pped from natural languages.
=A0

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