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On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1732_10671249.1354945295386" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1732_10671249.1354945295386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: > > .u'u > > Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's back > to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and > triggering the "Saving failed" popup. > > Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work: > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks about the > $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable) > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces (says the > default namespace for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS) > > If you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I guess we should > revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; > *UPDATE.* $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; > Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anonymous edits. > how to do that? > > mu'o mi'e .vruxir. > > On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >> >> *UPDATE.* >> The following strings have been changed to: >> >> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >> >> to ki'e doi vruxir toi >> >> On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>> >>> It also looks like you can do this: >>> >>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>> >>> Then, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to >>> translations will not require reCAPTCHA. >>> (To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki will be >>> slightly more secure that way). >>> >>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>> >>> >>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>> I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false. >>>> >>>> The current values are >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = false; >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true; >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; >>>> >>>> What needs to be changed or added? >>>> >>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir wrote: >>>>> > I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the reCAPTCHA. >>>>> I have >>>>> > been able to work around it by doing this: >>>>> > >>>>> > Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation >>>>> Messages >>>>> > table -- for example, the link that looks like "Translations:jbobau >>>>> > selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can edit >>>>> that >>>>> > section of the translation and save the changes (and it will show >>>>> the >>>>> > required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save >>>>> Page".) >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> I got it, thanks! >>>>> >>>>> > I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each translation >>>>> section >>>>> > in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think of >>>>> is to >>>>> > disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix >>>>> "Translations:"; >>>>> > hopefully that is possible. >>>>> > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Translation pages fail in saving. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I go translate a page >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=translate&group=page-jbobau+selci%27a&language=ja&limit=100&task=view >>>>> >> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups and >>>>> says >>>>> >> "Saving failed. Please report this error." 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On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:.u'u

Apparently = that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's back to showing = the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and triggering the = "Saving failed" popup.

Here are the pages that led= me to believe it would work:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wik= i/Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOn= Namespace variable)
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/<= wbr>Extension_default_namespaces (says the default namespace = for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS)

If = you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I guess we should revert ba= ck to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D false;

UPDATE. 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'= ] =3D false;


Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anony= mous edits.

how to do that?
 

mu'o mi'e .vruxir.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, = la gleki wrote:
UPDATE.
Th= e following strings have been changed to:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['e= dit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATION= S]['edit'] =3D false;

to ki'e doi vruxir toi

On = Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:
It also looks like you can do this:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNames= pace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D false;

Then= , edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to translations wi= ll not require reCAPTCHA.
(To the best of my knowledge, that is w= hat will happen; the Wiki will be slightly more secure that way).

mu'o mi'e .vruxir.


On Friday, December 7,= 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false.
The current values are
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit']     &n= bsp;    =3D false; 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] &= nbsp;      =3D true; 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['add= url']        =3D false; 
$wgCaptchaTrigg= ers['createaccount'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'= ]      =3D true;

What needs to be changed or a= dded?

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:=
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vru= xir <kex...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the reCAPTCHA= . I have
> been able to work around it by doing this:
>
> Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation Mes= sages
> table -- for example, the link that looks like "Translations:jboba= u
> selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can edi= t that
> section of the translation and save the changes (and it will show = the
> required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save Pag= e".)
>

I got it, thanks!

> I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each translatio= n section
> in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think o= f is to
> disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix "Translation= s:";
> hopefully that is possible.
>
> mu'o mi'e .vruxir.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote:
>>
>> Translation pages fail in saving.
>>
>> I go translate a page
>>
>> http://mw.lojba= n.org/index.php?title=3DSpecial%3ATranslate&taction=3Dtransla= te&group=3Dpage-jbobau+selci%27a&language=3Dja&limit= =3D100&task=3Dview
>> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups a= nd says
>> "Saving failed. Please report this error." Please fix this pro= blem.
>
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