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On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a4d90a37e904d0d497ce X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f83a4d90a37e904d0d497ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize. (I would use matygau, but it's already taken) Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe favgau "version") --geyspa On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki wrote: > *UPDATE. > *Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widget) extension > installed. > See http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Special:Version > > Plese, check if you can use it to embed Google maps etc. > > *BTW how to say "update", "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban????* > > > On Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>> >>> .u'u >>> >>> Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's >>> back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and >>> triggering the "Saving failed" popup. >>> >>> Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work: >>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks >>> about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable) >>> http: >>> >> > >> //www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Extension_default_namespaces >>> (**says the default namespace for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS) >>> >>> If you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I guess we should >>> revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>> >> >> *UPDATE.* >> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >> >> >>> Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anonymous edits. >>> >> >> how to do that? >> >> >>> >>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>> >>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>> *UPDATE.* >>>> The following strings have been changed to: >>>> >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[**NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>> >>>> to ki'e doi vruxir toi >>>> >>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It also looks like you can do this: >>>>> >>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[**NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>> >>>>> Then, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to >>>>> translations will not require reCAPTCHA. >>>>> (To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki will >>>>> be slightly more secure that way). >>>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false. >>>>>> >>>>>> The current values are >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = false; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['**createaccount'] = true; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; >>>>>> >>>>>> What needs to be changed or added? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>> > I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the >>>>>>> reCAPTCHA. I have >>>>>>> > been able to work around it by doing this: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation >>>>>>> Messages >>>>>>> > table -- for example, the link that looks like >>>>>>> "Translations:jbobau >>>>>>> > selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can >>>>>>> edit that >>>>>>> > section of the translation and save the changes (and it will show >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save >>>>>>> Page".) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got it, thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each >>>>>>> translation section >>>>>>> > in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think >>>>>>> of is to >>>>>>> > disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix >>>>>>> "Translations:"; >>>>>>> > hopefully that is possible. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Translation pages fail in saving. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I go translate a page >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.**php?title=Special%3ATranslate&** >>>>>>> taction=translate&group=page-**jbobau+selci%27a&language=ja&** >>>>>>> limit=100&task=view >>>>>>> >> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups and >>>>>>> says >>>>>>> >> "Saving failed. Please report this error." Please fix this >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> > "lojban" group. >>>>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> > https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban/-/QY6eedzR05QJ. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> > lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> > http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/NelwFCyOU_EJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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=A0 Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize. =A0(I would= use matygau, but it's already taken) =A0Possibly favgau for update (wh= ich would make xe favgau "version")

=A0 --geyspa

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail= .com> wrote:
UPDATE.
Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:= Widget) extension installed.

Plese, check if you can use it to embed Goog= le maps etc.

BTW how to say "update&quo= t;, "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban????


On Saturday, December 8, 201= 2 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:.u'u

Apparently that = didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's back to showi= ng the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and triggering t= he "Saving failed" popup.

Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work= :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEd= it=A0(talks about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable)
=A0
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
//www.mediawiki.= org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces=A0(says the default= namespace for "Translations:" is=A0If you can't think of a rea= son why it didn't work, I guess we should revert back to=A0$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D false;

UPDATE.=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers[&#= 39;edit'] =3D false;


Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anonym= ous edits.

how to do that?
= =A0

mu'o mi'e .vruxir.

On Friday, December 7= , 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
UPDATE.
The following strings have been changed to:

$= wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnN= amespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D false;

to ki= 9;e doi vruxir toi

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:=
It also looks like you can do this:=

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCa= ptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D false;=

Then, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA= , but edits to translations will not require reCAPTCHA.
(To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki will = be slightly more secure that way).

mu'o mi'= ;e .vruxir.


On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5,= la gleki wrote:
I changed the value of=A0$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false.
The current values are
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0=3D false;=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=3D true;=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=3D false;=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] =A0 =A0 =A0=3D true;
What needs to be changed or added?

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir <= kex...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the reCAP= TCHA. I have
> been able to work around it by doing this:
>
> Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation Mes= sages
> table -- for example, the link that looks like "Translations:= jbobau
> selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then yo= u can edit that
> section of the translation and save the changes (and it will show = the
> required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Sav= e Page".)
>

I got it, thanks!

> I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each translatio= n section
> in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think o= f is to
> disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix "Transl= ations:";
> hopefully that is possible.
>
> mu'o mi'e .vruxir.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote:
>>
>> Translation pages fail in saving.
>>
>> I go translate a page
>>
>> http://mw.lojba= n.org/index.php?title=3DSpecial%3ATranslate&taction=3Dtra= nslate&group=3Dpage-jbobau+selci%27a&language=3Dja&limit=3D100&task=3Dview
>> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups a= nd says
>> "Saving failed. Please report this error." Please fi= x this problem.
>
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