Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:35336) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjak1-0001aP-Em; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:30 -0800 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id q1sf1965535ggm.16 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=b0y4fX1hrd5V+RAH9BYGbQZ9w+g6KVCfwcXCXhrqMXY=; b=I7XkDf+Gjklw2Q21CvsSn5/m6CETQkGeS8LcuxazKdbkscnaZwtMDYPk+mHkZIR6ey XgLMC89dsyrxNmOS5LVKITZhdpKBJx46KUu++ygu56mdA/PlG6E9Lq0cCJsAnbCCHhAa IOHIzEXNgZg83OAVGk0/VTcOFV8HnZE5g47yXDI9eB9QJf5rse2SOB7pENRao9BydibR GhJyg4GQQN7Ne7qkC2OIzVQxW8Dcf98RO8a6bIvw/HJOqcJGsWI9wqukDeV82oyyLn5l 0MqvkV+SvQDRUa+Y45eXBY48WuvwJhxixS1l1QJd2xlfqkgy9LbgjBz+wDJPkbGtehIx Q2rw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=b0y4fX1hrd5V+RAH9BYGbQZ9w+g6KVCfwcXCXhrqMXY=; b=AAB54sZaJ1nxKIdDas9UDB2BdwghbmjG2x1tENo2QJ9Q67icwtyo6qpub1yJ508cgA HufwdyVBgU2AYoi1zoOr4ewI5HyVgjVfps1XXPElpne+VWpE/p6ddQ+1iqFabC8Fjoyk W41wb2oxZzI9b0gCNK7sH+fJIqaRcCmi8BveobiNO42TNK/Npq/GYRoFte0QhmQfz/NV OwD05NPy2QxcWQSVZl9FPue+b1tPVVLJiSRseBlecodplHIKZDtIJFdKjTceEi0lUlTv igfzJJHE1K0e/wgV3gLoxay/fsPml60H3AqzaGk7rlfyGOV14Q6dMeg9WoJ7E+34VsNF oVUg== Received: by 10.49.24.13 with SMTP id q13mr1217679qef.33.1355512566923; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.26.166 with SMTP id m6ls1249548qeg.10.gmail; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.38.194 with SMTP id i2mr1173042qek.30.1355512565603; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:16:05 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <683212f7-f9d3-4d28-a78d-ff18fc1a12fd@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] "synchronise,update,version" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_834_5577986.1355512565141" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_834_5577986.1355512565141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:56:32 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote: > > Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize. (I would use matygau, but it's > already taken) > Taken? Aren't all {ko'a brodygau ko'e ko'i} lujvo automatically decompressed into {ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e me ko'i}? Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe favgau "version") > > --geyspa > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki wrote: > >> *UPDATE. >> *Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widget) >> extension installed. >> See http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Special:Version >> >> Plese, check if you can use it to embed Google maps etc. >> >> *BTW how to say "update", "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban????* >> >> >> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>> >>>> .u'u >>>> >>>> Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's >>>> back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and >>>> triggering the "Saving failed" popup. >>>> >>>> Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work: >>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks >>>> about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable) >>>> http: >>>> >>> >> >>> //www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Extension_default_namespaces >>>> (**says the default namespace for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS) >>>> >>>> If you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I guess we should >>>> revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>> >>> >>> *UPDATE.* >>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>> >>> >>>> Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anonymous edits. >>>> >>> >>> how to do that? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>> >>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *UPDATE.* >>>>> The following strings have been changed to: >>>>> >>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[**NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>> >>>>> to ki'e doi vruxir toi >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It also looks like you can do this: >>>>>> >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[**NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>>> >>>>>> Then, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to >>>>>> translations will not require reCAPTCHA. >>>>>> (To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki will >>>>>> be slightly more secure that way). >>>>>> >>>>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The current values are >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = false; >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['**createaccount'] = true; >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What needs to be changed or added? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>>> > I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the >>>>>>>> reCAPTCHA. I have >>>>>>>> > been able to work around it by doing this: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation >>>>>>>> Messages >>>>>>>> > table -- for example, the link that looks like >>>>>>>> "Translations:jbobau >>>>>>>> > selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can >>>>>>>> edit that >>>>>>>> > section of the translation and save the changes (and it will show >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> > required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save >>>>>>>> Page".) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I got it, thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each >>>>>>>> translation section >>>>>>>> > in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think >>>>>>>> of is to >>>>>>>> > disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix >>>>>>>> "Translations:"; >>>>>>>> > hopefully that is possible. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Translation pages fail in saving. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> I go translate a page >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.**php?title=Special%3ATranslate&** >>>>>>>> taction=translate&group=page-**jbobau+selci%27a&language=ja&** >>>>>>>> limit=100&task=view >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups and >>>>>>>> says >>>>>>>> >> "Saving failed. Please report this error." 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On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:56:32 PM UTC+4, gejy= spa wrote:
  Well, I'd sa= y saxygau for synchornize.  (I would use matygau, but it's already tak= en)

Taken? Aren't all {ko'a brodygau = ko'e ko'i} lujvo automatically decompressed into
{ko'a gasnu lo n= u ko'e me ko'i}?

 Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe favgau "ver= sion")

  --geyspa

On = Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@= gmail.com> wrote:
UPD= ATE.
Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:W= idget) extension installed.

Plese, check = if you can use it to embed Google maps etc.

= BTW how to say "update", "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban????<= /div>


On Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:41:35 AM = UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, Dec= ember 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:
= .u'u

Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it wo= uld work. Now it's back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations f= or some reason, and triggering the "Saving failed" popup.

Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work:
= http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit&= nbsp;(talks about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable)
 
//w= ww.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces (says the default namespace for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS)

If you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I = guess we should revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'= ] =3D false;

UPDATE. 
= $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D false;


Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA = for anonymous edits.

how to do that?<= /div>
 

mu'o= mi'e .vruxir.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la glek= i wrote:
UPDATE.
The following string= s have been changed to:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = =3D false;

to ki'e doi vruxir toi

On Friday, Dec= ember 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:
= It also looks like you can do this:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['= edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRA= NSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D false;

Then, edits on basic= pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to translations will not require r= eCAPTCHA.
(To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen;= the Wiki will be slightly more secure that way).

= mu'o mi'e .vruxir.


On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM= UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
I changed the value of&= nbsp;$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false.

The current values are
=
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit']          =3D false= ; 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create']        = =3D true; 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl']      =  =3D false; 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin']     &nb= sp;=3D true;

What needs to be changed or added?

On F= riday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir <kex...@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote: 
> I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is beca= use of the reCAPTCHA. I have 
> been able to work around it by d= oing this: 

> Right-click on the link in the first= column of the Translation Messages 
> table -- for example, the= link that looks like "Translations:jbobau 
> selci'a/25/en" -- = and open the link in a new tab. Then you can edit that 
> sectio= n of the translation and save the changes (and it will show the 
&g= t; required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save Page".)&n= bsp;


I got it, thanks! 

> I hope there = is a way to fix that, because editing each translation section 
>= ; in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think of is to=  
> disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix "Trans= lations:"; 
> hopefully that is possible. 
> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. 


> On Thurs= day, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote: 
>>&nb= sp;
>> Translation pages fail in saving. 
>> >> I go translate a page 
>> 
>> <= a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DSpecial%3ATranslate&ta= ction=3Dtranslate&group=3Dpage-jbobau+selci%27a&language=3Dja&l= imit=3D100&task=3Dview" target=3D"_blank">http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DSpecial%3ATranslate&taction=3Dtransla= te&group=3Dpage-jbobau+selci%27a&language=3Dja&<= /u>limit=3D100&task=3Dview
 
>> and edit my trans= lation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups and says 
>> "Sav= ing failed. Please report this error." Please fix this problem. 
&g= t; 
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