Received: from mail-ia0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:61001) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjaly-0001bU-FQ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:18:28 -0800 Received: by mail-ia0-f189.google.com with SMTP id b35sf1978427iac.16 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:18:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jHfmOsRLUMfP5bvD2DtDA+AMvvg+exltwYg+tAFL+y8=; b=BlxRhsseZN8ktaaaqaBAlEig/oZAI4IURMNVXA8GnpisEYmliuswG9hO4tnxZDceLq djrrK+bQf12MAT1Vh4MzFZ+loFkSqcsUSwy2gtnWYU9ozh5+wdPaCG0QYhl27Y6hCkjn CHaqSKdaaBXjdpgE64GGsXlgWNRCO8GggmJZNvM6q0co962uv8oAcU5tOXH/3igqsMHc yeIRXJ4VxkGI4SbSV86elytoh/+307jOc3grOaPHgNZ/Nq0C/j5rw0itKzCfXZGwS8c4 ja8plBfW+Iv++OAZVn/M7DS0QR+CG4P4E+ROr9rzMzsHJl8AmKxETxLlw1XkRPyGvaA6 VJ8A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jHfmOsRLUMfP5bvD2DtDA+AMvvg+exltwYg+tAFL+y8=; b=jfvehMIqOi69eIvRancPSvNTaiQ1wjRUsGiwH7rcsk7/gXmcP2brOCM+P4m+2atQLR jSoUu7M3xC3ge1aEoS/fzM1GwTuwNpZcCD9kqH/TAb9OthI0iCiyYJVBmbO6dx1fl71E RsaCqMHD5OAL4oAZ4VWV7pHFvD7yZSCpUCR06OdhdMj0qLVA+G0TmtN/A6RrTrSF8KHD Q8smpWOxvKIIP0vv+hGnPPyIbIyamDxNH3vM5jL70Bvend7ha7YozxhbCclX0afmTo0Q Anr1Q5iStS1nX0aEZjNDlxwr+lEYJNKaQTTrjCK7WLwkEVSFJ0u7zB9DWb0+fH39Q2TJ qP2A== Received: by 10.49.116.139 with SMTP id jw11mr1193502qeb.12.1355512687519; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:18:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.71.177 with SMTP id w17ls1182139qeu.70.gmail; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.24.14 with SMTP id q14mr1201498qef.17.1355512686974; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:18:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:18:06 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <683212f7-f9d3-4d28-a78d-ff18fc1a12fd@googlegroups.com> References: <683212f7-f9d3-4d28-a78d-ff18fc1a12fd@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: "synchronise,update,version" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_338_22522282.1355512686592" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_338_22522282.1355512686592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, December 14, 2012 11:16:05 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: > > > > > On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:56:32 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote: >> >> Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize. (I would use matygau, but it's >> already taken) >> > > Taken? Aren't all {ko'a brodygau ko'e ko'i} lujvo automatically > decompressed into > {ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e me ko'i}? > u'u li'a mi pu skudji lu {ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e broda ko'i} li'u > Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe favgau "version") >> >> --geyspa >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki wrote: >> >>> *UPDATE. >>> *Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Widget) >>> extension installed. >>> See http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Special:Version >>> >>> Plese, check if you can use it to embed Google maps etc. >>> >>> *BTW how to say "update", "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban????* >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>>> >>>>> .u'u >>>>> >>>>> Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's >>>>> back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and >>>>> triggering the "Saving failed" popup. >>>>> >>>>> Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work: >>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks >>>>> about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable) >>>>> http: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> //www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Extension_default_namespaces >>>>> (**says the default namespace for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS) >>>>> >>>>> If you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I guess we should >>>>> revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>>> >>>> >>>> *UPDATE.* >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>> >>>> >>>>> Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anonymous edits. >>>>> >>>> >>>> how to do that? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *UPDATE.* >>>>>> The following strings have been changed to: >>>>>> >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[**NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>>> >>>>>> to ki'e doi vruxir toi >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It also looks like you can do this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[**NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to >>>>>>> translations will not require reCAPTCHA. >>>>>>> (To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki >>>>>>> will be slightly more secure that way). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The current values are >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = false; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['**createaccount'] = true; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What needs to be changed or added? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>>>> > I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the >>>>>>>>> reCAPTCHA. I have >>>>>>>>> > been able to work around it by doing this: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation >>>>>>>>> Messages >>>>>>>>> > table -- for example, the link that looks like >>>>>>>>> "Translations:jbobau >>>>>>>>> > selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can >>>>>>>>> edit that >>>>>>>>> > section of the translation and save the changes (and it will >>>>>>>>> show the >>>>>>>>> > required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save >>>>>>>>> Page".) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got it, thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each >>>>>>>>> translation section >>>>>>>>> > in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think >>>>>>>>> of is to >>>>>>>>> > disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix >>>>>>>>> "Translations:"; >>>>>>>>> > hopefully that is possible. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Translation pages fail in saving. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> I go translate a page >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.**php?title=Special%3ATranslate&** >>>>>>>>> taction=translate&group=page-**jbobau+selci%27a&language=ja&** >>>>>>>>> limit=100&task=view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups >>>>>>>>> and says >>>>>>>>> >> "Saving failed. Please report this error." 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On Friday, December 14, 2012 11:16:05 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:



On Friday, = December 14, 2012 10:56:32 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
  Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize.  (I would use = matygau, but it's already taken)

Take= n? Aren't all {ko'a brodygau ko'e ko'i} lujvo automatically decompressed in= to
{ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e me ko'i}?

u'u li'a mi pu skudji lu

{ko'a gasnu lo n= u ko'e broda ko'i}

li'u


 Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe= favgau "version")

  --geyspa

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki &= lt;gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
UPDATE.
Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/= Extension:Widget) extension installed.

Pl= ese, check if you can use it to embed Google maps etc.

=
BTW how to say "update", "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban??= ??


On Saturday, December 8, 2012 = 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, Dece= mber 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:
.u'u

=
Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now= it's back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reaso= n, and triggering the "Saving failed" popup.

Here = are the pages that led me to believe it would work:
http:/= /www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks a= bout the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable)
 
=
//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces (says the default namespace for = "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS)

If you can't think of a = reason why it didn't work, I guess we should revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D false;

=
UPDATE. 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D false;

<= /div>

Another option would be to only r= equire reCAPTCHA for anonymous edits.

how to do that?
 

mu'o mi'e .vruxir.

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la= gleki wrote:
UPDATE.
The following strings have = been changed to:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D fal= se;

to ki'e doi vruxir toi

On Friday, December 7= , 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:
It also looks like = you can do this:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = =3D false;

Then, edits on basic pages will require= reCAPTCHA, but edits to translations will not require reCAPTCHA.
(To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki will be s= lightly more secure that way).

mu'o mi'e .vruxir.<= /div>


On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wr= ote:
I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit']= to false.

The current values are
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit']=          =3D false; 
$wgCaptchaTri= ggers['create']        =3D true; 
$wgCap= tchaTriggers['addurl']        =3D false; 
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] =3D true;
$wgCa= ptchaTriggers['badlogin']      =3D true;

What = needs to be changed or added?

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 = AM UTC+4, guskant wrote:
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vr= uxir <kex...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> I noticed this to= o. I'm pretty sure it is because of the reCAPTCHA. I have 
> bee= n able to work around it by doing this: 

> Right-c= lick on the link in the first column of the Translation Messages 
&= gt; table -- for example, the link that looks like "Translations:jbobau&nbs= p;
> selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can e= dit that 
> section of the translation and save the changes (and= it will show the 
> required reCAPTCHA below the translation af= ter you click "Save Page".) 


I got it, thanks!&nb= sp;

> I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each tra= nslation section 
> in a new tab slows things down. The only obv= ious fix I can think of is to 
> disable reCAPTCHA on pages that= begin with the prefix "Translations:"; 
> hopefully that is pos= sible. 

> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. 

> On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskan= t wrote: 
>> 
>> Translation pages fail in savi= ng. 
>> 
>> I go translate a page 
>= > 
>> = http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3DSpecial%3ATranslate&= taction=3Dtranslate&group=3Dpage-jbobau+selci%2= 7a&language=3Dja&limit=3D100&task=3Dview <= br>>> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups an= d says 
>> "Saving failed. Please report this error." Please = fix this problem. 

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>= "lojban" group. 
> To view this discussion on the web visit&nbs= p;
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> To post to this group, sen= d email to loj...@googlegroups.com
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http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den<= /a>. 
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