Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:35908) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tjars-0001hq-U9; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:29 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f61.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf1980191pbc.16 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=A9qZ6s8d5mY5C7lfUUzVSDhGZS1ABjnJU6gzXdVxhAY=; b=VP0ezQiSv7inKw6Twh0MdXVJFNtlzxU5MhSt6BlHN4HSCE+tgZzDMsfasKsOatE2EK Yq8+181T5jtrtWWBZuDkmq0bfnOG5HI0RzbZZT8OyD1wV91tVq/rcqY4j8+7gKS5yq3v QMW9jfTtaFTOAKS+LeyvOyQX6KyPa1YGTky1cv1afkh4iWVgXphC/vXQEddzHrwteliv IzyILerNg2NMIRg5FvAAY8agwGb2lZOeqXZo9eDTd63qk2V12Pg27meiEhFjgonPOR7w 8yROqaG69prgafq3BrDJ+BYJ+dBhClFMGl5XeJXuYWTIMkf0H09MEmzMXd3XLWz4q60U NsBQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=A9qZ6s8d5mY5C7lfUUzVSDhGZS1ABjnJU6gzXdVxhAY=; b=T/VW+8HdeGbPhxYlS+1oUQG5aQsJ/ocgf1UgjgOAJC9SFUD9mXYQPoRC5+9PWdX/lu sDcQpAuYc/WJ0gikUm/4Omm79SPBvtdhy5iXOZY4p2FiOW/TEAbtnTz1GAno9I5VGIKQ eqPxSxaiXB3Uhn0OXDgQS1AF8iZK3kwE5Mqk8duvNeYBnxiFN6Ji/YwSW5BBr8Y8H3+/ ylksdodtF/gbeGM5d6CuCMded911Qz3SonWug/hkhgLpql4gSwANddw5dthdmZXvKIYZ 8oyZpR+dPA3oRyaBCwDTRzSV8wWaoxAhZIXtsE2N9VxfiCfxrDGGW8IXbAdasxapHrbE Chqg== X-Received: by 10.50.158.227 with SMTP id wx3mr1035827igb.2.1355513054366; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.155.130 with SMTP id vw2ls851612igb.13.gmail; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.213.99 with SMTP id nr3mr2588562igc.2.1355513053354; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.213.99 with SMTP id nr3mr2588560igc.2.1355513053326; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com (mail-oa0-f46.google.com [209.85.219.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5si823334iga.1.2012.12.14.11.24.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.46; Received: by mail-oa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id h16so4071890oag.33 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.168.236 with SMTP id zz12mr5611802oeb.12.1355513052979; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.186.74 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:24:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <683212f7-f9d3-4d28-a78d-ff18fc1a12fd@googlegroups.com> References: <683212f7-f9d3-4d28-a78d-ff18fc1a12fd@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:24:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "synchronise,update,version" From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c53d402e05704d0d4fade X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54c53d402e05704d0d4fade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Taken as in it's glossed in jbovlaste as "assigns/appoints" which also makes sense, given the nature of matci. --gejyspa On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, la gleki wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:56:32 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote: >> >> Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize. (I would use matygau, but it's >> already taken) >> > > Taken? Aren't all {ko'a brodygau ko'e ko'i} lujvo automatically > decompressed into > {ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e me ko'i}? > > Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe favgau "version") >> >> --geyspa >> >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki wrote: >> >>> *UPDATE. >>> *Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Extension:Widget) >>> extension installed. >>> See http://mw.lojban.org/**index.php/Special:Version >>> >>> Plese, check if you can use it to embed Google maps etc. >>> >>> *BTW how to say "update", "version" and "synchronise" in Lojban????* >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>>> >>>>> .u'u >>>>> >>>>> Apparently that didn't work the way I thought it would work. Now it's >>>>> back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to translations for some reason, and >>>>> triggering the "Saving failed" popup. >>>>> >>>>> Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work: >>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/****Extension:ConfirmEdit (talks >>>>> about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable) >>>>> http: >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> //www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Exten**sion_default_namespaces >>>>> (**says the default namespace for "Translations:" is NS_TRANSLATIONS) >>>>> >>>>> If you can't think of a reason why it didn't work, I guess we should >>>>> revert back to $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>>> >>>> >>>> *UPDATE.* >>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>> >>>> >>>>> Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for anonymous edits. >>>>> >>>> >>>> how to do that? >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *UPDATE.* >>>>>> The following strings have been changed to: >>>>>> >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[****NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>>> >>>>>> to ki'e doi vruxir toi >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It also looks like you can do this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; >>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[****NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] = false; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to >>>>>>> translations will not require reCAPTCHA. >>>>>>> (To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki >>>>>>> will be slightly more secure that way). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5, la gleki wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I changed the value of $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The current values are >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = false; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['**createacco**unt'] = true; >>>>>>>> $wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What needs to be changed or added? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>>>> > I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the >>>>>>>>> reCAPTCHA. I have >>>>>>>>> > been able to work around it by doing this: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translation >>>>>>>>> Messages >>>>>>>>> > table -- for example, the link that looks like >>>>>>>>> "Translations:jbobau >>>>>>>>> > selci'a/25/en" -- and open the link in a new tab. Then you can >>>>>>>>> edit that >>>>>>>>> > section of the translation and save the changes (and it will >>>>>>>>> show the >>>>>>>>> > required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "Save >>>>>>>>> Page".) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I got it, thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > I hope there is a way to fix that, because editing each >>>>>>>>> translation section >>>>>>>>> > in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think >>>>>>>>> of is to >>>>>>>>> > disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix >>>>>>>>> "Translations:"; >>>>>>>>> > hopefully that is possible. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > mu'o mi'e .vruxir. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, guskant wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> Translation pages fail in saving. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> I go translate a page >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.**php**?title=Special%3ATranslate&** >>>>>>>>> tac**tion=translate&group=page-**jbob**au+selci%27a&language=ja&** >>>>>>>>> limit**=100&task=view >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups >>>>>>>>> and says >>>>>>>>> >> "Saving failed. Please report this error." Please fix this >>>>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>> Google Groups >>>>>>>>> > "lojban" group. >>>>>>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> > https://groups.google.com/d/**ms**g/lojban/-/QY6eedzR05QJ >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> > lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> > http://groups.google.com/**group**/lojban?hl=en >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/lojban/-/NelwFCyOU_EJ >>> . >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/kEx9PiqivWEJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54c53d402e05704d0d4fade Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 Taken as in it's glossed in jbovlaste as "ass= igns/appoints" which also makes sense, given the nature of matci.
=
=A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

On Fr= i, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:



On Friday, December 1= 4, 2012 10:56:32 PM UTC+4, gejyspa wrote:
=A0 Well, I'd say saxygau for synchornize. =A0(I would= use matygau, but it's already taken)

=
Taken? Aren't all {ko'a brodygau ko'e ko'i} lujvo auto= matically decompressed into
{ko'a gasnu lo nu ko'e me ko'i}?

=A0Possibly favgau for update (which would make xe favgau= "version")

=A0 --geyspa

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:49 PM, la gleki=A0<= gleki.is...@gmail.com>=A0wrote:
UPDATE.
Widgets 1.9.2 (http://www.mediawiki.or= g/wiki/Extension:Widget) extension installed.=

Plese, check if you can use it to embed Google map= s etc.

BTW how to say "update", "version&= quot; and "synchronise" in Lojban????

=

On Saturday, December 8, 2012 9:41:35 AM UTC+4, la gleki wro= te:


On Saturday, December 8, 2012 12:13:38 AM UTC+4, vruxir wrote: .u'u

Apparently that didn't work the way I thoug= ht it would work. Now it's back to showing the reCAPTCHA on edits to tr= anslations for some reason, and triggering the "Saving failed" po= pup.

Here are the pages that led me to believe it would work= :
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Co= nfirmEdit=A0(talks about the $wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace variable)
=A0
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa= dding-left:1ex">
//www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_default_namespaces=A0(says the default namespace for &= quot;Translations:" is=A0NS_TRANSLATION= S)

If you can't think of a rea= son why it didn't work, I guess we should revert back to=A0$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D false;

UPDATE.=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers[&#= 39;edit'] =3D false;


Another option would be to only require reCAPTCHA for a= nonymous edits.

how to do that?
=
=A0

mu'o mi'e .vruxir.

On Friday, December 7= , 2012 2:54:15 PM UTC-5, la gleki wrote:
UPDATE.
The following strings have been changed to:

$= wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnN= amespace[NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D false;

t= o ki'e doi vruxir toi

On Friday, December 7, 2012 11:29:24 PM UTC+4, vruxir wrote:=
It also looks like you can do this:

$wgCaptchaTriggers[&= #39;edit'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggersOnNamespace[= NS_TRANSLATIONS]['edit'] =3D false;

Th= en, edits on basic pages will require reCAPTCHA, but edits to translations = will not require reCAPTCHA.
(To the best of my knowledge, that is what will happen; the Wiki will = be slightly more secure that way).

mu'o mi'= ;e .vruxir.


On Friday, December 7, 2012 1:11:27 AM UTC-5,= la gleki wrote:
I changed the value of=A0$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] to false.
The current values are
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0=3D false;=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=3D true;=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=3D false;=A0
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] =3D true;
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] =A0 =A0 =A0=3D true;
<= div>
What needs to be changed or added?

On Friday, December 7, 2012 2:53:58 AM UTC+4, guskant wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:54 AM, vruxir <kex...@gmail.com> wrot= e:=A0
> I noticed this too. I'm pretty sure it is because of the = reCAPTCHA. I have=A0
> been able to work around it by doing this:=A0<= br> >=A0
> Right-click on the link in the first column of the Translat= ion Messages=A0
> table -- for example, the link that looks like &quo= t;Translations:jbobau=A0
> selci'a/25/en" -- and open the li= nk in a new tab. Then you can edit that=A0
> section of the translation and save the changes (and it will show the= =A0
> required reCAPTCHA below the translation after you click "= Save Page".)=A0
>=A0

I got it, thanks!=A0

> I h= ope there is a way to fix that, because editing each translation section=A0=
> in a new tab slows things down. The only obvious fix I can think of is= to=A0
> disable reCAPTCHA on pages that begin with the prefix "= Translations:";=A0
> hopefully that is possible.=A0
>=A0> mu'o mi'e .vruxir.=A0
>=A0
>=A0
> On Thursday, December 6, 2012 4:26:22 PM UTC-5, = guskant wrote:=A0
>>=A0
>> Translation pages fail in savi= ng.=A0
>>=A0
>> I go translate a page=A0
>>=A0>>=A0http://mw.lojba= n.org/index.php?title=3DSpecial%3ATranslate&tac= tion=3Dtranslate&group=3Dpage-jbobau+selci%27a&la= nguage=3Dja&limit=3D100&task=3Dview=A0
>> and edit my translation, but fail in saving. A dialog popups and s= ays=A0
>> "Saving failed. Please report this error." Ple= ase fix this problem.=A0
>=A0
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