On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:34:56 AM UTC+4, gejyspa = wrote:
If you think= of x2 as an object (which it can be), you will see that cpedu is actually = in the lebna/cpacu/(te) dunda/benji/(te)mrilu, etc.... family. =A0The objec= t changing hands being in the x2 spot, and the x3 spot being the other pers= on involved in the transaction. =A0It's actually pikci which is the min= de family.

Yes, that's what bothers me.
Why do we have
{se ckire} being the addressee but
{te ciksi} being the addressee.

It's very ha= rd to remember, non-intuitive etc.

You'd have to ask the people who came up with the= definitions in the first place, but I doubt they could answer you, either.= i doubt any intention was payed to regularity among "families" o= f gismu, especially considering how many gismu have irregular places within= their family. (I don't recall the exact one, but I believe the first i= rregular gismu I came across was one of the metric measurements, mass, mayb= e?)
=A0

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

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On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:28= AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>= wrote:

cpedu -=A0x1 = requests/asks/petitions/solicits for x2 of/from x3 in manner/form x4= .
minde -=A0x1 issues commands/orders to x2 for result x3 (event/state= ) to happen; x3 is commanded to occur.

Although two gismu are obviously semantically close to = each other they differ in the order of arguments.
Is it just a hi= storical quirk?

I guess this is the "error&qu= ot; of {cpedu} cuz other similar gismu follow the structure of {minde}.

fraxu -=A0x1 forgives x2 for event/state/activit= y x3.

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