Received: from mail-ob0-f183.google.com ([209.85.214.183]:64732) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TlLDn-0004yd-Dh; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:06:28 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f183.google.com with SMTP id x4sf1149158obh.20 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:06:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:date:from:to :message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=F7ZgoCOgiiT95/O6VGQpRl507mc7Prh3XeQvZ0JvPEA=; b=IWLjvhzLprG4nttEyt59lJbnCboiJvGvQGaep4AiePfPMSE6NPEXZ1UW0yghWsLqWy 6ECc04sIWj0irNx6PAG+VrYlFie8CEkYIQugSCSSj70rk4uGVkzL6qR2n2Psd+Sh+ycu PHsrqpfaXTSTbQIdI/uWYJYJFwht8mFJ6AuNakdwSkaq0BNe7oW+brJpFKaQxy2B1qAk riiIl7XsKEMB4Ulol/Bt6kjNVh1NsFI/x/jPYQadAFV8vWKEo3L5PokZ6sgUCidDccA5 APKZ63coExgMzO+WsbullCj3byAU78uAiObIq5I6ZHK+Z3zUW76MAIcu8i8n47zJmatg OQsQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:date:from:to :message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=F7ZgoCOgiiT95/O6VGQpRl507mc7Prh3XeQvZ0JvPEA=; b=y/JErzs1YOOvdzd8GsPiUWxK6x/NLrVqZFHqBBnW2IPZSee1x0uLGbFb5KZys5sjDX V21B6zwn1MxRzhQ4pkjCQB5Q7KVypEeoyAbT8y+VbJCLLXLIFVqMCmYURIoxIk4dDu1k 9b1gK6i6AEOgn4OfWj84+xKyBOiGfaYCjLN6MGBvVZZovha6AyXKsKId+aFYaHeWWvcL u00D12Mf2OmWIQQ/hGm5FZWeFSk48Ic+DqLuTYhw35XKvHvGeIcPJZS5bEBfcvMnXvia 3jdm4uQGwGTqq7gCW+9p+ss1uhoAYIX8kPcLlRe9Tahgga8fSSFwoJBV/TQvpyVY+vok pLxQ== X-Received: by 10.49.60.40 with SMTP id e8mr914629qer.40.1355929564998; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.106.164 with SMTP id gv4ls896528qeb.35.gmail; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:06:04 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.190.193 with SMTP id dj1mr2962727qab.6.1355929564536; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:06:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.0.141 with SMTP id 13msqab; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:02:54 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.98.42 with SMTP id ef10mr371718qeb.15.1355846573672; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:02:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Chevalier To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <275c5760-c5b6-4a1b-b017-e4951c6c5201@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <7b7faaa6-6b15-4bde-ada9-d37e2d99ce18@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Letters simulation by lojban vision! MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: chevalieradam2@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_362_14498876.1355846573132" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_362_14498876.1355846573132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The IPA is confusing and most people looking at it won't know how to read it. However, I do not advocate the creation of another standard notation. Either way, its one more thing someone must learn before learning lojban. The simpler the learning of lojban is the better. As it stands, prospective jbopre must obtain some sense of predicate logic before lojban makes any sense (and the current learning materials make no effort to help people who do not have a background in math or CS to learn these concepts). On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:52:06 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: > > Again. Isn't that what the IPA is for? > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:20 AM, la ki'es-di'es > > wrote: > >> Greeting, >> >> I was very busy last period... >> >> In fact I discussed the subject much but there is some difference and a >> lot of benefits. >> >> I send previously file about that but may need some improvement. >> >> We must realizes this fact, that there is two type of knowledge: >> >> (1) depened on the person itself can improve by intelligence exercises, >> and be for accidental events and its rules attempet to deal an infinity >> random events almost. >> (2) depened on people expereince in life you can't obtain it by yourself >> you will learn that continiously from others and we called it the wisdom >> and usualy attempt to take all probabilities. >> >> Every one have a lot to talk and every thing extend to infinity. >> >> e.g: may R italian is the inverse of r english but french r is the >> inverse of like A in arabic word Ali, and so on we should take all >> probabilities. >> >> la'o mu''ymyd-nuuR byRuk >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/HeXNJJZv8ToJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RlFl5_3TiF8J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_362_14498876.1355846573132 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The IPA is confusing and most people looking at it won't know how to read i= t.
However, I do not advocate the creation of another standard notation= . Either way, its one more thing someone must learn before learning lojban.=
The simpler the learning of lojban is the better.

=
As it stands, prospective jbopre must obtain some sense of predi= cate logic before lojban makes any sense (and the current learning material= s make no effort to help people who do not have a background in math or CS = to learn these concepts).

On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:52:06 AM UT= C-6, aionys wrote:
Again. Isn't= that what the IPA is for?

On Sun, Dec 16= , 2012 at 3:20 AM, la ki'es-di'es <buro...@yahoo= .co.uk> wrote:
Greeting,
 
I was very busy last period...
 
In fact I discussed the subject much but there is some difference and = a lot of benefits.
 
I send previously file about that but may need some improvement.
 
We must realizes this fact,= that there is two type of knowledge:
 
(1) depened on the person itself can improve by intelligence exercises= , and be for accidental events and its rules attempet to = deal an infinity random events almost.
(2) depened on people expereince in life you can't obtain it by yourse= lf you will learn that continiously from others and we called it the wisdom= and usualy attempt to take all probabilities.
 
Every one have a lot to talk and every thing extend to infinity.
 
e.g: may R italian is the inverse of r english but french r&= nbsp;is the inverse of like A in arabic word Ali, and so on we should take = all probabilities.
 
la'o mu''ymyd-nuuR byRuk

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(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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