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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1ebc23c093504d138f804 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1ebc23c093504d138f804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adam Chevalier wrote: > The IPA is confusing and most people looking at it won't know how to read > it. > However, I do not advocate the creation of another standard notation. > Either way, its one more thing someone must learn before learning lojban. > You don't need to know the IPA to learn Lojban. > The simpler the learning of lojban is the better. > > As it stands, prospective jbopre must obtain some sense of predicate logic > before lojban makes any sense (and the current learning materials make no > effort to help people who do not have a background in math or CS to learn > these concepts). > > > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:52:06 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: > >> Again. Isn't that what the IPA is for? >> >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:20 AM, la ki'es-di'es wrote: >> >>> Greeting, >>> >>> I was very busy last period... >>> >>> In fact I discussed the subject much but there is some difference and a >>> lot of benefits. >>> >>> I send previously file about that but may need some improvement. >>> >>> We must realizes this fact, that there is two type of knowledge: >>> >>> (1) depened on the person itself can improve by intelligence exercises, >>> and be for accidental events and its rules attempet to deal an infinity >>> random events almost. >>> (2) depened on people expereince in life you can't obtain it by yourself >>> you will learn that continiously from others and we called it the wisdom >>> and usualy attempt to take all probabilities. >>> >>> Every one have a lot to talk and every thing extend to infinity. >>> >>> e.g: may R italian is the inverse of r english but french r is the >>> inverse of like A in arabic word Ali, and so on we should take all >>> probabilities. >>> >>> la'o mu''ymyd-nuuR byRuk >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>> msg/lojban/-/HeXNJJZv8ToJ >>> . >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RlFl5_3TiF8J. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adam Chevalier = <chevalieradam2@gmail.com> wrote:
The IPA is confusing and most people looking at it won't know how to re= ad it.
However, I do not advocate the creation of another standard nota= tion. Either way, its one more thing someone must learn before learning loj= ban.

You don't need to know the IPA to learn Lojban.=A0
The simpler the learning of = lojban is the better.

As it stands, prospective jbopre must obtain some sense= of predicate logic before lojban makes any sense (and the current learning= materials make no effort to help people who do not have a background in ma= th or CS to learn these concepts).


On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:52:06 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Again. Isn't t= hat what the IPA is for?

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012= at 3:20 AM, la ki'es-di'es <buro...@yahoo.= co.uk> wrote:
Greeting,
=A0
I was very busy last period...
=A0
In fact I discussed the subject much but there is some difference and = a lot of benefits.
=A0
I send previously file about that but may need some improvement.
=A0
We must realizes this=A0fact, th= at there is two type of knowledge:
=A0
(1) depened on the person itself can improve by intelligence exercises= , and be for accidental events and its rules attempet=A0to dea= l an infinity random events almost.
(2) depened on people expereince in life you can't obtain it by yo= urself you will learn that continiously from others and we called it the wi= sdom and usualy attempt to take all probabilities.
=A0
Every one have a lot to talk and every thing extend to infinity.
=A0
e.g: may R italian=A0is the inverse of r english but=A0french r=A0is t= he inverse of like A in arabic word Ali, and so on we should take all proba= bilities.
=A0
la'o mu''ymyd-nuuR byRuk

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