Received: from mail-pb0-f63.google.com ([209.85.160.63]:47170) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TlR4D-0007Fb-Fa; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:54 -0800 Received: by mail-pb0-f63.google.com with SMTP id jt11sf1356389pbb.28 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=aP/5B4iOY1hZoQVsqKIkd5a1onsUq3S5/6QB0xSV5pg=; b=GBlcKsFVEquOY5FbiSRwCk82LoJkZ6BpmFfznlaX1Qxc/L5U16GwNFrkYXZGkN27ej 9DL599UjnUoARHbuN0PO2Z4/4WB9YXI+RKk32dwvs7jMpKBTAsjtgWxE4AK3LWta+vbH AeHUMRw81Vq307NC58P37zK4Z0dZtBN7mD/fXBqtwpBqIc3Hl2D718rSBTudrL/boWGl 18THxGGtnFVz888IbNYg2omqPQZGznNEZeNG78bClEwoq3vX53Ly0fRAwhwST9wMj4CN loLzlpWcOjY1OqYeZHMQ4N/jcMv9M5iKh9/xPSsSLbo0XxKeYM5sgJWb+yhAQmo9aeri HaQg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=aP/5B4iOY1hZoQVsqKIkd5a1onsUq3S5/6QB0xSV5pg=; b=w6e3pvxQfzFzWCIP2JvnQhtqvllWKhlsUBYwD25EoL8Ke3ezag4GcyfOD8Q7C7xlYc ofvDt6pEsyABsRpbKj82oUkQQ/hkNh9GMJINOxmY2TAvKdX12ALh/HLWJx8DEkmmk32/ 9feGLlEd/5To8+LN4y5oQzunp3cEPS+E6Gx7Rjd1jC58KgCTNuY/AIqm2kYXz4OEyHLl H0aAQhovgP1749bSV+anUWXaYIcpnfLTLt0UKe1f+xKp6ubCZQMSt5wWl8Ds6nTQpooI lvYd0aQC8uyONpEy7voFmy7rsj+hoAyFKbitc5/eUvnWMAlTU+eExXLxHiiaHCLCtlTg 27Kg== X-Received: by 10.49.116.115 with SMTP id jv19mr1120197qeb.21.1355952034886; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.26.166 with SMTP id m6ls1054876qeg.10.gmail; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.59.0.234 with SMTP id bb10mr2963496ved.32.1355952034450; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.59.0.234 with SMTP id bb10mr2963495ved.32.1355952034432; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f50.google.com (mail-vb0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h20si2054101vdg.3.2012.12.19.13.20.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by mail-vb0-f50.google.com with SMTP id fr13so2862176vbb.23 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.115.20 with SMTP id g20mr10986080vcq.31.1355952034184; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.13.197 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6a7fd079-93fd-46ee-8c8b-ddb489d40ad4@googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:20:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Use of gismu components in lujvo From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0434c2ec547ea404d13b2f71 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0434c2ec547ea404d13b2f71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Essentially the scores are "how canonical" the word is, disregarding the possibility that it's actually not a lujvo (which several of those like rokcev are not). Generally the desirable form of the lujvo is the lowest scoring one, some occasional exceptions with sound. (For example {ci'omle} is typically preferred over {citmle}). mu'o mi'e la latro'a On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Adam Chevalier wrote: > @Efrain: I suppose if I'd known that I wouldn't need to ask the question, > would I? > > @Pierre: Thank you, that was helpful. I don't *quite* *understand*, but > I'm sure understanding will dawn on me as my lojban skills strengthen. > > What do the scores for each of the lujvo represent? > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:13:52 AM UTC-6, Efrain wrote: > >> Well, obviously I assume that you know that those valsi that end on a >> consonant are cmevla, do you? >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Betsemes wrote: >> > Here: http://jwodder.freeshell.org/**lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=rokci+** >> cevni&vlalei=pluja >> > you get: >> > lujvo Score >> > rokcei 5867 >> > rokcev 5898 >> > ro'ircei 7456 >> > ro'ircev 7487 >> > rokcevni 7937 >> > rokcycei 7997 >> > rokcycev 8028 >> > ro'ircevni 9526 >> > rokcycevni 10067 >> > >> > mu'o mi'e betsemes >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Adam Chevalier >> > wrote: >> >> I've noticed that some of the possible combinations of gismu >> components when >> >> forming a lujvo confuse vlasisku. >> >> Does this mean these combinations are invalid? Or does vlasisku simply >> have >> >> a hard time seeing some of the combos? >> >> >> >> e.g. >> >> >> >> rokci - rok, ro'i >> >> cevni - cev, cei >> >> >> >> vlasisku can see the components in cevro'i and rokcei, but no other >> >> combinations. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "lojban" group. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/lojban/-/4iWt0PNsWDoJ. >> >> >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban+un...@**googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/v8qBk8jVDFoJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d0434c2ec547ea404d13b2f71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Essentially the scores are "how canonical" the word is, disregard= ing the possibility that it's actually not a lujvo (which several of th= ose like rokcev are not). Generally the desirable form of the lujvo is the = lowest scoring one, some occasional exceptions with sound. (For example {ci= 'omle} is typically preferred over {citmle}).

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On W= ed, Dec 19, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Adam Chevalier <chevalieradam2@gmail= .com> wrote:
@Efrain: I suppose if I'd known that I w= ouldn't need to ask the question, would I?

@Pierre: Thank you, t= hat was helpful. I don't quite=A0understand, but I'm = sure understanding will dawn on me as my lojban skills strengthen.

What do the scores for each of the lujvo represent?
=


On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:13:52 AM UTC-6,= Efrain wrote:
Well, obviously I assume that you know that those valsi t= hat end on a
consonant are cmevla, do you?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Betsemes <= bets...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here: http://jwodder.free= shell.org/lojban/jvozba.cgi?tanru=3Drokci+cevni&vlalei=3D= pluja
> you get:
> lujvo Score
> rokcei 5867
> rokcev 5898
> ro'ircei 7456
> ro'ircev 7487
> rokcevni 7937
> rokcycei 7997
> rokcycev 8028
> ro'ircevni 9526
> rokcycevni 10067
>
> mu'o mi'e betsemes
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Adam Chevalier
> <chevali...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've noticed that some of the possible combinations of gis= mu components when
>> forming a lujvo confuse vlasisku.
>> Does this mean these combinations are invalid? Or does vlasisk= u simply have
>> a hard time seeing some of the combos?
>>
>> e.g.
>>
>> rokci - rok, ro'i
>> cevni - cev, cei
>>
>> vlasisku can see the components in cevro'i and rokcei, but= no other
>> combinations.
>>
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