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To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2ede3393e0e904d13accf8 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b2ede3393e0e904d13accf8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yeah, it's not Ithkuil zo'o On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adam Chevalier wrote: > >> The IPA is confusing and most people looking at it won't know how to read >> it. >> However, I do not advocate the creation of another standard notation. >> Either way, its one more thing someone must learn before learning lojban. >> > > You don't need to know the IPA to learn Lojban. > > >> The simpler the learning of lojban is the better. >> >> As it stands, prospective jbopre must obtain some sense of predicate >> logic before lojban makes any sense (and the current learning materials >> make no effort to help people who do not have a background in math or CS to >> learn these concepts). >> >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:52:06 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote: >> >>> Again. Isn't that what the IPA is for? >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:20 AM, la ki'es-di'es wrote: >>> >>>> Greeting, >>>> >>>> I was very busy last period... >>>> >>>> In fact I discussed the subject much but there is some difference and a >>>> lot of benefits. >>>> >>>> I send previously file about that but may need some improvement. >>>> >>>> We must realizes this fact, that there is two type of knowledge: >>>> >>>> (1) depened on the person itself can improve by intelligence exercises, >>>> and be for accidental events and its rules attempet to deal an >>>> infinity random events almost. >>>> (2) depened on people expereince in life you can't obtain it by >>>> yourself you will learn that continiously from others and we called it the >>>> wisdom and usualy attempt to take all probabilities. >>>> >>>> Every one have a lot to talk and every thing extend to infinity. >>>> >>>> e.g: may R italian is the inverse of r english but french r is the >>>> inverse of like A in arabic word Ali, and so on we should take all >>>> probabilities. >>>> >>>> la'o mu''ymyd-nuuR byRuk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/** >>>> msg/lojban/-/HeXNJJZv8ToJ >>>> . >>>> >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>>> googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/RlFl5_3TiF8J. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- Alex R -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7b2ede3393e0e904d13accf8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, it's not Ithkuil zo'o


On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:= 41 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Adam Chevalier <chevalieradam2@gm= ail.com> wrote:
The IPA is confusing and most people looking at it won't know how to re= ad it.
However, I do not advocate the creation of another standard nota= tion. Either way, its one more thing someone must learn before learning loj= ban.

You don't need to know the IPA to learn Loj= ban.
=A0
The simpler the learning of lojban is the better.

As it stands, prospective jbopre must obtain some sense= of predicate logic before lojban makes any sense (and the current learning= materials make no effort to help people who do not have a background in ma= th or CS to learn these concepts).


On Sunday, December 16, 2012 4:52:06 AM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Again. Isn't that what the = IPA is for?

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 3:20 AM, = la ki'es-di'es <buro...@yahoo.co.uk>= wrote:
Greeting,
=A0
I was very busy last period...
=A0
In fact I discussed the subject much but there is some difference and = a lot of benefits.
=A0
I send previously file about that but may need some improvement.
=A0
We must realizes this=A0fact, th= at there is two type of knowledge:
=A0
(1) depened on the person itself can improve by intelligence exercises= , and be for accidental events and its rules attempet=A0to dea= l an infinity random events almost.
(2) depened on people expereince in life you can't obtain it by yo= urself you will learn that continiously from others and we called it the wi= sdom and usualy attempt to take all probabilities.
=A0
Every one have a lot to talk and every thing extend to infinity.
=A0
e.g: may R italian=A0is the inverse of r english but=A0french r=A0is t= he inverse of like A in arabic word Ali, and so on we should take all proba= bilities.
=A0
la'o mu''ymyd-nuuR byRuk

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= .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'= o
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