Received: from mail-fa0-f56.google.com ([209.85.161.56]:36310) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TnCT9-0004ll-E7; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:55 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f56.google.com with SMTP id x10sf2691833fax.21 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:to:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cu2c7gmSPWz58h6fYu7s95TRWelp36z7SfMYTrW0AGE=; b=gpR9A2ORIb+/deTd7dbifFbhWkEe3Kl6u3+yqJZ8Bl50kAWdZOr0waxX1pVOSTi7oo ChebY6VkBmJxz5RTS7CPeA7KUw/YwKxr9PuhhBQcSUklcIHmBTtslru9+5Hi2sw9lYn1 8H0Xi6NQd6YfUxKGqpmmVVZuP27CqdvHQ19JHHF8ZXL+hxq448E9jrqzJFoXMOlxz+Tg 41iGlreXTgqLoKXap/78el9w0iEu7o06WS1y4cXEtQtOfd4TU+0iUQ5+Th4XwS+x4fGN 1q4rQk3QyZ6JpOtzIQPFNH96ZnD3faQiMkoAdsUJlYXtj3SNOe5ZVhYyKyG7UjloktdS 9E+w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-received:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:message-id :references:to:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cu2c7gmSPWz58h6fYu7s95TRWelp36z7SfMYTrW0AGE=; b=uA986NVrxDsDk11dZYrpMTSJPq/5Kp59Ma6NAJCb4v4dCBTZEdFqvu3nz3hnzh1Wpm Rt8uwVGNxMxCeGX8MKTe/a1Gj/pbvKfNhZ5iwNtJ5oJaw95JBesukEEd090FQPt3qmSZ 57HlqWUfJNb4mlb8CvDz8uLa1jI7OcLAQYra9MIInyD6C1DctldEspt1JdhjtdWNRYHd fOdTnlx0rJTzVNCAjHjdvyNaGj2aj9bt3ZxsWx9utW4/GyptnPHNvFPTHfpa6MSv1VYr hjTe3qS8FnCA42tV+olLI9KjsBXRxojGbGAaa1QWhVsKvxHtLv/obiWIRgEteIbnWtJy qeow== X-Received: by 10.180.90.140 with SMTP id bw12mr3446219wib.6.1356372575783; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:35 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.77.133 with SMTP id s5ls4032938wiw.35.canary; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.97.198 with SMTP id ec6mr4889344wib.5.1356372574727; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.97.198 with SMTP id ec6mr4889343wib.5.1356372574717; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-f173.google.com (mail-we0-f173.google.com [74.125.82.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eu17si1552241wid.0.2012.12.24.10.09.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.173; Received: by mail-we0-f173.google.com with SMTP id z2so3290381wey.4 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.92.36 with SMTP id cj4mr28396984wib.23.1356372574656; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.10.11] ([77.107.209.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm44086150wiw.3.2012.12.24.10.09.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:09:33 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1502\)) Subject: Re: [lojban] Comments inside quotations. {lu ... [sei ...se'u] ... li'u}. No solution? From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:09:25 +0000 Message-Id: References: <11ecfede-d731-44b8-b71e-8aa427be0544@googlegroups.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1502) X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On 24 Dec 2012, at 17:05, Jacob Errington wrote: > Personally, I disapprove of sei-within-lu for partitioned quotes, for the simple reason that one can't unambiguously determine whether the sei-clause is actually spoken, unless {sa'a} is used (which it usually isn't). I have also found it troublesome in texts with quotation marks. The comment is certainly the narrator's, and that is not the quotation. Michael Everson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.