Received: from mail-fa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.161.59]:51479) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TnHe9-0006TW-8v; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:47 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id v1sf2772610fav.4 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf:date:from :to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=pyX52FTp1m8qVUrKfmpBSR+GELvYvy5AM1aCLzyV5kI=; b=m0/OWf3aurl1AzSNcuwwWJRuYbv7lpnW7kP4InoujWojqA8mJY1V12rLk+M7xHa/sO KTD88wIUEnu5HJSZD5jdlV8gp0MxaFUJqypi3E51TTpfvp2ZiiODAJZQNiw4lFR2EiNN RtwpAsYt6mFU5RBSqaWURiVfhJikPNUZLUSfp6yic/fQbL7+r29uKD/yRTS3nRnB11pI ADkH96S9EqrtWDzLHhFF9FVlvrd50HWoA+Vmdo2O+izEMtfX1DO4GB7TYd03TlCBWMiH 0eC+dmr212FS3TRmppyvvQRV/kC0VIrXo+rEzHeEE1smP+l0dUTGzArsAJ6n6TBFAEAx 0s4A== X-Received: by 10.180.24.196 with SMTP id w4mr3596117wif.3.1356392477439; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.100.133 with SMTP id ey5ls2722344wib.32.gmail; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr29518158eeb.6.1356392476666; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.0.196 with SMTP id 44mr29518156eeb.6.1356392476653; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9si7861068eeo.1.2012.12.24.15.41.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:41:16 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbc0cfd.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.12.253]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0FB788650A6 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:41:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 00:41:15 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Comments inside quotations. {lu ... [sei ...se'u] ... li'u}. No solution? Message-ID: <20121224234115.GA7855@samsa.fritz.box> References: <11ecfede-d731-44b8-b71e-8aa427be0544@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:05:53PM -0500, Jacob Errington wrote: > #2". > {.i do melbi sei mi cusku} -> {.i mi cusku lo se du'u do melbi} > {.i ui do cinba mi} -> {.i sei mi gleki do cinba mi} -> {.i mi gleki lo nu > do cinba mi} >=20 > Personally, I disapprove of sei-within-lu for partitioned quotes, for the > simple reason that one can't unambiguously determine whether the sei-clau= se > is actually spoken, unless {sa'a} is used (which it usually isn't). Would {sa'a} be used like this? {.i lu mi gleki sei ko'a cusku se'usa'a zo'e li'u}, i.e. {sei ... se'usa'a} This looks rather clumsy to me as a usable solution to ", he said,", because you need to manually close the {sei} construct in order to attach t= he sa'a. v4hn --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlDY6BsACgkQMBKLZs4+wjxj/QCfbaKAfkXJiZ3h1QuVNxv7mTlB 3nsAnAua/Nacw0gxM8moYE+Iat0O5jWq =dK6x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6--