Received: from mail-pa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.220.59]:63037) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TnHgj-0006Vv-Ml; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:44:20 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id fb11sf4056651pad.14 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=AW3snr26J/mhWpPDI9HRU6z1TShDUR83Gq24wKihEkk=; b=XIZnDF2l5uVxMksKAZVNzNZ5rAdMsPo5TEgQWpoV8ZUBEhmJF+PwIulPvifqDNginF 55EmVKXMFVBxac8v8R/yAimLyRdZ3PN8nhXS462uM87lBMQouwJDUCmz5AeKH9fFD/rt LWTAHvMB+zmPFjrtp+ggffLPdZUMEMoLlZQ0cvzDg1yV7/N3QPOb0norr/QjBGLqGfu8 B+SLtwTvyyOJ3j/0gsTp2AvO4EkFPVwnP9Mmx5XaZKbJORVS7DgMv6dJJK0LTDzGfxZD f1k8uWElynsEbI+a9fGaHAJFO0kWymGu1YEiIyxeG/c8BmQrzqD35P6TE7XolpgCVgUP Zpww== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=AW3snr26J/mhWpPDI9HRU6z1TShDUR83Gq24wKihEkk=; b=Xo07RhINRC21/ItfoINNI5akR17gmbgz4wuJjrMV46dKNbn3dU0MWPcxj2iBBhm0+5 B1hsi6Qrgz6JtLogVVUtOhjVVBaXAniCrUbXck8FsdMFnd8Lzd7Hstykww9VEBMo1o2E 6u4Q2kzafSOhev6SA56FCtixSRBATvN5fFvxiGuZJwTxav5LO7aml2BVFlc1AzqpRR2q QthO3dj0BUYQlzv2oK3vWguBuToZVT/XCO32bVROfAU51r/kxZUPsA7IMrBifapa5cTU Fb/U6BzNiygsAAbIGuq+11qdM+X5Gfgn5Naw/9WmtOGIPo3Zax86ESOUuT42U1ce5RVr B4CQ== X-Received: by 10.49.12.238 with SMTP id b14mr3413661qec.18.1356392639091; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.98.34 with SMTP id ef2ls3113682qeb.21.gmail; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.59.0.234 with SMTP id bb10mr10572059ved.32.1356392637858; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.59.0.234 with SMTP id bb10mr10572058ved.32.1356392637845; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f52.google.com (mail-vb0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q13si6695453vdh.0.2012.12.24.15.43.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ez10so7649307vbb.25 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.156.40 with SMTP id wb8mr30723804vdb.39.1356392637708; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.65.233 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:43:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20121224234115.GA7855@samsa.fritz.box> References: <11ecfede-d731-44b8-b71e-8aa427be0544@googlegroups.com> <20121224234115.GA7855@samsa.fritz.box> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:43:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Comments inside quotations. {lu ... [sei ...se'u] ... li'u}. No solution? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53aedb458babd04d1a1c5a0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec53aedb458babd04d1a1c5a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 24 December 2012 18:41, v4hn wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:05:53PM -0500, Jacob Errington wrote: > > #2". > > {.i do melbi sei mi cusku} -> {.i mi cusku lo se du'u do melbi} > > {.i ui do cinba mi} -> {.i sei mi gleki do cinba mi} -> {.i mi gleki lo > nu > > do cinba mi} > > > > Personally, I disapprove of sei-within-lu for partitioned quotes, for the > > simple reason that one can't unambiguously determine whether the > sei-clause > > is actually spoken, unless {sa'a} is used (which it usually isn't). > > Would {sa'a} be used like this? > > {.i lu mi gleki sei ko'a cusku se'usa'a zo'e li'u}, i.e. {sei ... se'usa'a} > > This looks rather clumsy to me as a usable solution to ", he said,", > because you need to manually close the {sei} construct in order to attach > the sa'a. > > You *could* attach it to the se'u, but the simpler solution is to attach it to the sei itself. {.i lu do seisa'a by cusku se'u melbi li'u} .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec53aedb458babd04d1a1c5a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24 December 2012 18:41, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:05:53PM -0500, Jacob Errington= wrote:
> #2".
> {.i do melbi sei mi cusku} -> {.i mi cusku lo se du'u do melbi}=
> {.i ui do cinba mi} -> {.i sei mi gleki do cinba mi} -> {.i mi g= leki lo nu
> do cinba mi}
>
> Personally, I disapprove of sei-within-lu for partitioned quotes, for = the
> simple reason that one can't unambiguously determine whether the s= ei-clause
> is actually spoken, unless {sa'a} is used (which it usually isn= 9;t).

Would {sa'a} be used like this?

{.i lu mi gleki sei ko'a cusku se'usa'a zo'e li'u}, i.e= . {sei ... se'usa'a}

This looks rather clumsy to me as a usable solution to ", he said,&quo= t;,
because you need to manually close the {sei} construct in order to attach t= he sa'a.

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You *could* attach it to the se'= u, but the simpler solution is to attach it to the sei itself.
{.i lu do seisa'a by cusku se'u melbi li'u}

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.i mi'e la tsani mu'o=A0

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