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On Tuesday, December 25, 2012 10:22:54 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
>
> On 25 December 2012 09:01, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:39:20 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> Just as my-two-cents comment, I would like to say that I too dislike the 
>>> use of {sei ... se'u} for split quoting. As it stands right now, there 
>>> isn't really any other option, although I think I like the idea of FAlu for 
>>> that purpose, as gleki spoke of earlier.
>>>
>>
>> I'll wait until tsani replies. I'm not a legislative power in Lojbanistan.
>>
>>
> Haha, I'm glad to see people actually thinking that I have some voice 
> around here. Regardless, I don't really, given the dictatorial nature of 
> Lojbanistan.
>

It doesn't matter. Any dictator will lose their power in Lojbanistan. It's 
not that "controlled development" described by camgusmis in "Lojban you are 
doing it wrong" essay. Fluent speakers + logical thinking decide and I will 
ignore any dictators unless there are many of them.

 

>
> To return to the main question, using sei to split quotes has some 
> inherent ambiguity; using sa'a merely diminishes it, I think. That being 
> said, I don't like the idea of split quotes at all. they seem unlojbanic, 
> especially considering that the resulting sentence is not a bridi. It's 
> just a free-floating sumti between two {.i}. I don't have any objections to 
> using FAlu, but I think that it's stylistically poor.
>

Your reply appeared to be much easier  than i could expect.
I also think it's a poor style. Nevetheless, if we apply {ju'e} then won't 
it be

xorxe's solution: {lu ko klama mi sei la alis cu cusku se'u i mi djica lo 
nu catlu do li'u} (25 syllables)
gleki's second solution:  {lu ko klama mi li'u se cusku la alis fa lu mi 
djica lo nu catlu do li'u} (25 syllables, splitting sumti implies {ju'e})

?

If so there are no extra syllables compared to the previous solution.

*pei*?



> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>

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<br><br>On Tuesday, December 25, 2012 10:22:54 PM UTC+4, tsani wrote:<block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-le=
ft: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On 25 December 2012 09:01, la gleki =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfusca=
ted-mailto=3D"Hbr3dx02-hAJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><br><br>On Tuesday, December 25, 2012 5:39:20 PM UTC+4, aionys wrote:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just as my-two-cents comment, I woul=
d like to say that I too dislike the use of {sei ... se'u} for split quotin=
g. As it stands right now, there isn't really any other option, although I =
think I like the idea of FAlu for that purpose, as gleki spoke of earlier.<=
br clear=3D"all">

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I'll wait until tsani replies. I'm n=
ot a legislative power in Lojbanistan.</div><div><div><br></div></div></blo=
ckquote><div><br></div><div>Haha, I'm glad to see people actually thinking =
that I have some voice around here. Regardless, I don't really, given the d=
ictatorial nature of Lojbanistan.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><d=
iv>It doesn't matter. Any dictator will lose their power in Lojbanistan. It=
's not that "controlled development" described by camgusmis in "Lojban you =
are doing it wrong" essay. Fluent speakers + logical thinking decide and I =
will ignore any dictators unless there are many of them.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;mar=
gin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">

<div><br></div><div>To return to the main question, using sei to split quot=
es has some inherent ambiguity; using sa'a merely diminishes it, I think. T=
hat being said, I don't like the idea of split quotes at all. they seem unl=
ojbanic, especially considering that the resulting sentence is not a bridi.=
 It's just a free-floating sumti between two {.i}. I don't have any objecti=
ons to using FAlu, but I think that it's stylistically poor.</div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>Your reply appeared to be much easier &nbsp;t=
han i could expect.</div><div>I also think it's a poor style. Nevetheless, =
if we apply {ju'e} then won't it be</div><div><br></div><div><div><font col=
or=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;=
">xorxe's solution: {lu ko klama mi sei la alis cu cusku se'u i mi djica lo=
 nu catlu do li'u} (25 syllables)</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#3=
33333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;">gleki'=
s second solution: &nbsp;{lu ko klama mi li'u se cusku la alis fa lu mi dji=
ca lo nu catlu do li'u} (25 syllables, splitting sumti implies {ju'e})</spa=
n></font></div></div><div><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif=
"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font col=
or=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;=
">?</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-ser=
if"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font c=
olor=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height: 22p=
x;">If so there are no extra syllables compared to the previous solution.</=
span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><=
span style=3D"line-height: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color=
=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;">=
<i>pei</i>?</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"Arial, =
sans-serif"><span style=3D"line-height: 22px;"><br></span></font></div><div=
><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">

<div><br></div><div>.i mi'e la tsani mu'o</div></div>
</blockquote>

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