Received: from mail-bk0-f63.google.com ([209.85.214.63]:58437) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TnuWZ-00039z-ME; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:27 -0800 Received: by mail-bk0-f63.google.com with SMTP id jc3sf3192219bkc.18 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=s3Am7oqg/gSJ+qmTkCe/1tegE+7sZ8Ssqh3W9SAj5lI=; b=ZZJDojTrFNw2ZAL9nLQcfN1WOa5Xvi7myf7r6IBfpTqBhm+wdhK+QleRHBK7uWor5C 2v5ciSKALwhxnCRvuBhuUlyqWr8v6Y5JBgXL4g4KelM+U19Pgq+JRrMY5SdNfqQ97H4j Y9TAyLFcts6/qTYsyyC25bGu/CMg3/O4rwysx3XgKTjz4xcj4C1z29b4kHkNXrFHgBk3 kTxp8fMYrnFD4vU9Ox5zW6NmvfNyxvt6LVzmuNanD12vP3IV5949fR5SO/pgDAuMGBLd Wk5qpXF+DqG7pxNVpfX7RU16hf4ckck4IC5F1anu1DCvDx4/rovam9NBy6c2kJeR86pj b06w== X-Received: by 10.180.100.228 with SMTP id fb4mr3347776wib.17.1356541923721; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:03 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.19.137 with SMTP id f9ls3223626wie.2.gmail; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr35591228eem.1.1356541922231; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.180.2 with SMTP id i2mr35591227eem.1.1356541922219; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z44si10202053een.0.2012.12.26.09.12.02; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.69]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MPsKa-1TiyZv3rUI-0054zg for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:12:01 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 26 Dec 2012 17:12:01 -0000 Received: from p54AF437E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.67.126] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 26 Dec 2012 18:12:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Dygtv9D0DqoxeQbIl36es5u2D4cX/sKcnldcABj TqL7uFTXEsaiCG Message-ID: <50DB2FE2.5090009@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:12:02 +0100 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la gleki cu cusku di'e > This is really an interesting question. > *Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban? > I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all" > ({ro}) but I can't describe it. Thinking back to this topic, I'm wondering why nobody suggested simple {lo}. It's more or less perfect for this kind of thing. ko dunda lo plise pe lo lanka mi Give me any apple from the basket. No need for quantifiers. In fact, some of the quantifier examples might be incorrect, depending on the scope of {ko}. We don't want to say "There is an apple that I want you to give me" (because we are happy with *any* apple), but this would happen if {da} had scope over {ko}. Does the CLL say anything about this? mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.