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la v4hn cu cusku di'e
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 06:12:02PM +0100, selpa'i wrote:
>> Thinking back to this topic, I'm wondering why nobody suggested
>> simple {lo}. It's more or less perfect for this kind of thing.
>>
>> ko dunda lo plise pe lo lanka mi
>> Give me any apple from the basket.
>
> Because according to your usual arguments, this sentence can also mean
>
> "Give me an apple (and I might have a specific one in mind) from the basket"
>
> and
>
> "Give me the apple from the basket."
>
> Therefore it would be unclear whether you have a specific one in mind.

{lo} by itself doesn't refer to a specific apple, but me wanting a 
specific one doesn't make {lo} false. It's an important distinction, 
which, I admit, I didn't see as clearly then (in fact some of what I 
said in this thread doesn't seem quite right now in retrospect, and I 
certainly didn't express myself well!). However, as things stand, what I 
said above is true, {lo} is not specific, but you might very well have a 
specific apple in mind (without making {lo plise} incorrect). It's just 
not conveyed by {lo}, and if context isn't strong enough, some relative 
clause that clarifies the intended referent will be needed e.g. {lo 
plise poi pritu traji} or similar.

{le} will give you a specific apple (though the listener still has no 
idea which one), but I don't feel like using {le} myself.

> So what do you reply if someone asks you in response "Which apple exactly?",
> e.g. {lo plise poi mo} or whatever.

lo va plise poi se barna lo so'i cmalu ke manku xunre

> You could answer {ko cuxna}, but the major question is, whether you can
> avoid such a question in the first place.

Using {lo} should avoid it, {da} will only work if the scope is right.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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