Received: from mail-gg0-f186.google.com ([209.85.161.186]:42918) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Tnyda-0004c5-UI; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:52 -0800 Received: by mail-gg0-f186.google.com with SMTP id y6sf5280255ggc.3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ORxAQ6O3MVFJW/zKjiWgyFhU8AOP7WcHbFNK6Eg7Aa0=; b=HOXUt8sBcM+/shMpORHyQYKELdUX0rlcvN9LVjpjA+hUna3Qhf43kkiT7BXsD7sSD+ 2UluLkfE9Rh6+wcq/lmOi0DdGKkSl+vXCI1L7B95l+x22awszrI7XyGTItrdugY/Q4bu pvclTHdccQP+aaLTy1pspxWYCi27UrHDOkJiWCAElHOSi7SyZ5d4sUldpxwn4tERQ5dk YOzkNeJQpwA0ljnhnl+h+YyW6nOWfafSvAmKANyIkR7qkwcJZggbb6SBcy6f7EoxbjoZ xo8kk1aKxv2YMi3nGBAolZcxuaYeYKYxRauaEPXMGDDLeSHzhPAcngwjTk5tyXw3hmIL jDjg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ORxAQ6O3MVFJW/zKjiWgyFhU8AOP7WcHbFNK6Eg7Aa0=; b=J43c1Q8NT4z04928uilHaGCTjDt6ImYUw5JpNUIXEx+5eqzn+VEVk9GSuat/T9fv9v hvS9D1Rbl9gF9TR0hxVHaHzjSrE2GV4y9J+Q6rvvtHj6SK1XtnjGkO0G9kNdga/um1JG SMz/5l7iG00FG+bunWQY/j1Hm0o5PfzTcAoySGy1+xolq2yVGIAC0z0ghHbDs5v3M5he jA+bv25OGDb9N9BD7BbeSjQrSSvi5aLDDrv6cIusBH4zXyXYVQeQpC9KQXekJn2wh4Lj ZmYR+LlXRrNYafkdWVgpsjLdW1CXIrreXWH2JYUT4vq1jwmQW5dIHwosQYkzkJx0Q64z jFMw== X-Received: by 10.49.1.70 with SMTP id 6mr4322632qek.27.1356557736018; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.73 with SMTP id f9ls3895916qej.27.gmail; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.170.6 with SMTP id ai6mr13471260vec.35.1356557734588; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.170.6 with SMTP id ai6mr13471259vec.35.1356557734573; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d17si8650085vdt.1.2012.12.26.13.35.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by mail-vb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id fc26so9399911vbb.3 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.59.6.70 with SMTP id cs6mr44143279ved.60.1356557734473; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.65.233 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:35:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <50DB3C14.9060303@gmx.de> <20121226185805.GH7855@samsa.fritz.box> <3641882.8sMyCj0ouv@caracal> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:35:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0effee170f804d1c835b3 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bf0effee170f804d1c835b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 26 December 2012 14:09, Jonathan Jones wrote: > pa plise = pa lo plise = "one of one or more things which actually is an > apple" = an apple (as opposed to "that apple") > > This was only true in pre-xorlo. Under the gadri proposal, {pa broda} -> {pa da poi ke'a broda} directly. In xorlo, {pa broda} and {pa lo broda} are thus very different. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:05 v4hn wrote: >> > The question is, what do you answer, if you _don't_ have a specific one >> > (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most >> specific >> > thing you can say? >> >> "lo co'e plise"? "lo nalsteci plise"? >> >> Pierre >> -- >> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --047d7bf0effee170f804d1c835b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 26 December 2012 14:09, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
pa plise =3D pa lo plise =3D "one of one or more things which actually= is an apple" =3D an apple (as opposed to "that apple")


This was only true in pre-xorlo. Under the gadri proposal, {pa broda} ->= {pa da poi ke'a broda} directly. In xorlo, {pa broda} and {pa lo broda= } are thus very different.

.i mi'e la tsani mu= 'o
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, = Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:0= 5 v4hn wrote:
> The question is, what do you answer, if you _don't_ have a specifi= c one
> (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most spec= ific
> thing you can say?

"lo co'e plise"? "lo nalsteci plise"?

Pierre
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