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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > This formula is now false. PA SELBRI = PA da poi ke'a SELBRI now, while PA > SUMTI = PA da poi ke'a me SUMTI. With xorlo now introducing a zo'e when you > use lo, PA SELBRI and PA lo SELBRI are now entirely unrelated. > > mu'o mi'e la latro'a > > > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> pa plise = pa lo plise = "one of one or more things which actually is an >> apple" = an apple (as opposed to "that apple") >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:05 v4hn wrote: >>> > The question is, what do you answer, if you _don't_ have a specific one >>> > (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most >>> specific >>> > thing you can say? >>> >>> "lo co'e plise"? "lo nalsteci plise"? >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf3078131ef98aeb04d1c9898e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gah I see tsani already said this, oh well.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.c= om> wrote:
This formula is now false. PA SELBRI =3D PA = da poi ke'a SELBRI now, while PA SUMTI =3D PA da poi ke'a me SUMTI.= With xorlo now introducing a zo'e when you use lo, PA SELBRI and PA lo= SELBRI are now entirely unrelated.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
pa plise =3D pa lo plise =3D "one of on= e or more things which actually is an apple" =3D an apple (as opposed = to "that apple")


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, P= ierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:0= 5 v4hn wrote:
> The question is, what do you answer, if you _don't_ have a specifi= c one
> (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most spec= ific
> thing you can say?

"lo co'e plise"? "lo nalsteci plise"?

Pierre
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