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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26 December 2012 14:09, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> pa plise = pa lo plise = "one of one or more things which actually is an
>> apple" = an apple (as opposed to "that apple")
>>
>>
> This was only true in pre-xorlo. Under the gadri proposal, {pa broda} ->
> {pa da poi ke'a broda} directly. In xorlo, {pa broda} and {pa lo broda} are
> thus very different.
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>

No they aren't.

{pa lo broda} = {pa zo'e noi ke'a broda}
{pa broda} = {pa da poi ke'a broda}

{zo'e noi...} and {da poi...} are very similar in meaning. The two phrases
may not be "equal", but they are certainly still equivalent.


> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:05 v4hn wrote:
>>> > The question is, what do you answer, if you _don't_ have a specific one
>>> > (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most
>>> specific
>>> > thing you can say?
>>>
>>> "lo co'e plise"? "lo nalsteci plise"?
>>>
>>> Pierre
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>>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jacob Errington=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 26 December 2012 14:09, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=
=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


pa plise =3D pa lo plise =3D &quot;one of one or more things which actually=
 is an apple&quot; =3D an apple (as opposed to &quot;that apple&quot;)<div>=
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>

This was only true in pre-xorlo. Under the gadri proposal, {pa broda} -&gt;=
 {pa da poi ke&#39;a broda} directly. In xorlo, {pa broda} and {pa lo broda=
} are thus very different.</div><div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div>.i mi=
&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>No they aren&#39;t.<br><br>{pa lo broda} =
=3D {pa zo&#39;e noi ke&#39;a broda}<br>{pa broda} =3D {pa da poi ke&#39;a =
broda}<br><br>{zo&#39;e noi...} and {da poi...} are very similar in meaning=
. The two phrases may not be &quot;equal&quot;, but they are certainly stil=
l equivalent.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div cla=
ss=3D"im">

<div></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Pierre=
 Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D=
"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 19:58:0=
5 v4hn wrote:<br>
&gt; The question is, what do you answer, if you _don&#39;t_ have a specifi=
c one<br>
&gt; (or a group of specific ones) in mind, but {lo plise} is the most spec=
ific<br>
&gt; thing you can say?<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;lo co&#39;e plise&quot;? &quot;lo nalsteci plise&quot;?<br>
<div><br>
Pierre<br>
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