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ko dunda pa plise mi is "make it true that there exists exactly one apple
that you give to me." If you have an apple in mind and say that, then
you're not conveying that you have one in mind at all. So yeah, {pa plise}
does work here.

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:28 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:22:41PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > Fine, whatever. Whether or not I'm wrong about the equivalence of {pa
> > plise} and {pa lo plise}, my statement that {pa plise} suffices for "any
> > apple" is still valid.
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't see how it could.
>
> If {pa plise} means "exactly one apple", then how does this _exclude_
> that you know which apple you are talking about?
>
> I really like the proposed phrase {ko dunda da poi plise ku'o mi}.
> Syntactically it does not really state that I don't know/care which thing
> I'm talking
> about the same way "any", "irgendein", etc. do it, but due to pragmatics
> it seems to work out.
> At least I can't construct a reading which involves me wanting a specific
> apple.
> In such a situation uttering this phrase seems inappropriate to me.
>
> Any opinions?
>
>
> v4hn
>

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ko dunda pa plise mi is &quot;make it true that there exists exactly one ap=
ple that you give to me.&quot; If you have an apple in mind and say that, t=
hen you&#39;re not conveying that you have one in mind at all. So yeah, {pa=
 plise} does work here.<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On T=
hu, Dec 27, 2012 at 7:28 AM, v4hn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:m=
e@v4hn.de" target=3D"_blank">me@v4hn.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 09:22:41PM -0700, Jonathan Jones =
wrote:<br>
&gt; Fine, whatever. Whether or not I&#39;m wrong about the equivalence of =
{pa<br>
&gt; plise} and {pa lo plise}, my statement that {pa plise} suffices for &q=
uot;any<br>
&gt; apple&quot; is still valid.<br>
<br>
</div>I&#39;m sorry, but I can&#39;t see how it could.<br>
<br>
If {pa plise} means &quot;exactly one apple&quot;, then how does this _excl=
ude_<br>
that you know which apple you are talking about?<br>
<br>
I really like the proposed phrase {ko dunda da poi plise ku&#39;o mi}.<br>
Syntactically it does not really state that I don&#39;t know/care which thi=
ng I&#39;m talking<br>
about the same way &quot;any&quot;, &quot;irgendein&quot;, etc. do it, but =
due to pragmatics it seems to work out.<br>
At least I can&#39;t construct a reading which involves me wanting a specif=
ic apple.<br>
In such a situation uttering this phrase seems inappropriate to me.<br>
<br>
Any opinions?<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
v4hn<br>
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