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1. The CLL is a tool to raise money in Lojbanistan. Yet even CLL 1.1 will 
be grammatically incorrect. What is the reason to raise money from 
something broken? Present something perfect and the book will become a 
bestseller.
2. The CLL is useless pretty much. It doesn't teach people language.
3. The CLL is written in English and is very long. Translating to other 
languages is tiresome and the current github format doesn't allow 
synchronous updates to other languages.
If you love english it's your choice. All languages are equal to me. Except 
lojban. And I don't have any special love for English.

Now why do we need the CLL? To provide the most detailed description for 
experienced users? Well, that's a good idea. But why using English here?

Here is my proposal.
1. Present a short dictionary with definitions readable by humans. Just a 
short pdf file without any search capabilities will do. This is a task that 
is very easy to complete.
2. Update and develop the Waves 2.0 (from la klaku's original lessons). The 
goal is that people that use only these Waves and a dictionary can start 
speaking Lojban and reach fluency. The second goal is that Waves must be as 
short and comprehensive at the same time as possible.
3. jbo-CLL.
When the person successfully completes the previous item ey can move to 
this level. This book will give the most detailed and contemporary 
description of the language that a fluent speaker is able to read and 
understand. It's written in simple lojban but describes complicated issues. 

Consequences.
1. translating the Waves to other languages is easier cuz they are short 
and written in a simple language.
2. No need (and pretty useless) to translate jbo-CLL.

Some may say that CLL 1.1 is very important (and thus they implicitly 
advertise English, not Lojban). I don't understand where the money obtained 
from selling the books go to (to advertising lojban?). It's the perfect 
design, not any advertisements that can make Lojban popular.
Money provide nothing. Human desire provide everything.
If 10 000 people around the world find lojban awesome and reach fluency all 
most important goals are complete.

That's the plan how we can make Lojban much more popular, learnable and 
well-known around the world, not just among a group of geeks who can speak 
English.

P.S. Recently I've discovered that much stuff on lernu.net (a web site for 
Esperanto learners) has much information written exclusively in Esperanto, 
not even in English.

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<div>1. The CLL is a tool to raise money in Lojbanistan. Yet even CLL 1.1 w=
ill be grammatically incorrect. What is the reason to raise money from some=
thing broken? Present something perfect and the book will become a bestsell=
er.</div><div>2. The CLL is useless pretty much. It doesn't teach people la=
nguage.</div><div>3. The CLL is written in English and is very long. Transl=
ating to other languages is tiresome and the current github format doesn't =
allow synchronous updates to other languages.</div><div>If you love english=
 it's your choice. All languages are equal to me. Except lojban. And I don'=
t have any special love for English.</div><div><br></div><div>Now why do we=
 need the CLL? To provide the most detailed description for experienced use=
rs? Well, that's a good idea. But why using English here?</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Here is my proposal.</div><div><div>1. Present a short dictionary w=
ith definitions readable by humans. Just a short pdf file without any searc=
h capabilities will do. This is a task that is very easy to complete.</div>=
</div><div>2. Update and develop the Waves 2.0 (from la klaku's original le=
ssons). The goal is that people that use only these Waves and a dictionary =
can start speaking Lojban and reach fluency. The second goal is that Waves =
must be as short and comprehensive at the same time as possible.<br></div><=
div>3. jbo-CLL.<br></div><div>When the person successfully completes the pr=
evious item ey can move to this level. This book will give the most detaile=
d and contemporary description of the language that a fluent speaker is abl=
e to read and understand. It's written in simple lojban but describes compl=
icated issues.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Consequences.</div><div>1. tr=
anslating the Waves to other languages is easier cuz they are short and wri=
tten in a simple language.</div><div>2. No need (and pretty useless) to tra=
nslate jbo-CLL.</div><div><br></div><div>Some may say that CLL 1.1 is very =
important (and thus they implicitly advertise English, not Lojban). I don't=
 understand where the money obtained from selling the books go to (to adver=
tising lojban?). It's the perfect design, not any advertisements that can m=
ake Lojban popular.</div><div>Money provide nothing. Human desire provide e=
verything.</div><div>If 10 000 people around the world find lojban awesome =
and reach fluency all most important goals are complete.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>That's the plan how we can make Lojban much more popular, learnable =
and well-known around the world, not just among a group of geeks who can sp=
eak English.</div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Recently I've discovered that mu=
ch stuff on lernu.net (a web site for Esperanto learners) has much informat=
ion written exclusively in Esperanto, not even in English.</div>

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