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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>wrote:

> The "exactly" comes from what quantifiers *do* in the case of quantified
> variables. In Lojban, quantifiers are exact, such that if you say .i mi
> dasni pa cutci when you're really wearing two, you're *lying*.


It's only lying if the intent is to deceive. Otherwise it's simply being
wrong.

stevo


> You can verify the CLL to check, but I know this to be true, so I won't
> bother looking it up for you.
>
>

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Jacob =
Errington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">

The &quot;exactly&quot; comes from what quantifiers *do* in the case of qua=
ntified variables. In Lojban, quantifiers are exact, such that if you say .=
i mi dasni pa cutci when you&#39;re really wearing two, you&#39;re *lying*.=
 </blockquote>

<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s only lying if the intent is to deceive. Otherw=
ise it&#39;s simply being wrong.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>stevo</div><di=
v>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

You can verify the CLL to check, but I know this to be true, so I won&#39;t=
 bother looking it up for you.<br>

<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div></div>

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