On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:23 PM, la gleki <g= leki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

1. The CLL is a tool to raise money in = Lojbanistan. Yet even CLL 1.1 will be grammatically incorrect. What is the = reason to raise money from something broken? Present something perfect and = the book will become a bestseller.

2. The CLL is useless pretty much. It doesn't teach people language.
3. The CLL is written in English and is very long. Translating to = other languages is tiresome and the current github format doesn't allow syn= chronous updates to other languages.

If you love english it's your choice. All languages are equal to me. E= xcept lojban. And I don't have any special love for English.

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Now why do we need the CLL? To provide the most detailed descrip= tion for experienced users? Well, that's a good idea. But why using English= here?

Here is my proposal.
1. Present a short = dictionary with definitions readable by humans. Just a short pdf file witho= ut any search capabilities will do. This is a task that is very easy to com= plete.

2. Update and develop the Waves 2.0 (from la klaku's original le= ssons). The goal is that people that use only these Waves and a dictionary = can start speaking Lojban and reach fluency. The second goal is that Waves = must be as short and comprehensive at the same time as possible.

3. jbo-CLL.
When the person successfully completes= the previous item ey can move to this level. This book will give the most = detailed and contemporary description of the language that a fluent speaker= is able to read and understand. It's written in simple lojban but describe= s complicated issues.

Consequences.
1. translating the Waves to oth= er languages is easier cuz they are short and written in a simple language.=
2. No need (and pretty useless) to translate jbo-CLL.

Some may say that CLL 1.1 is very important (and thus they i= mplicitly advertise English, not Lojban). I don't understand where the mone= y obtained from selling the books go to (to advertising lojban?). It's the = perfect design, not any advertisements that can make Lojban popular.

Money provide nothing. Human desire provide everything.
If 1= 0 000 people around the world find lojban awesome and reach fluency all mos= t important goals are complete.

That's the plan ho= w we can make Lojban much more popular, learnable and well-known around the= world, not just among a group of geeks who can speak English.

P.S. Recently I've discovered that much stuff on lernu.net (a web site for Espe= ranto learners) has much information written exclusively in Esperanto, not = even in English.

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