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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:36:45AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:
> You are correct that it does not convey "Give me an apple, I don't have o=
ne
> in mind", since there's no statement about whether you have one in mind.
> However, the command is satisfied no matter which apple they give you, so
> pragmatically speaking it seems to do the job. It's just a bit subtle
> because speech acts other than statements are a bit subtle in general.
>=20
> However, since {pa plise} has no referents, I'm not sure whether "which
> one?" is actually a valid counterquestion. This is a peculiarity of worki=
ng
> with {da} in general, sort of like the other thread I posted recently.

But {ra po'u pa plise ge'u mo} would be a valid question, wouldn't it?
I'm quite sure I did not fully understand the da/zo'e usage up to now,
so this might be wrong.

The major difference in pragmatical usage is whether "which one do you mean=
?"
is a valid counterquestion. If there is a proper way to utter
"give me an apple" that implies you don't know or care about which apple yo=
u get
and that renders the counterquestion "which one?" inappropriate, then I'm f=
ine.

{ko dunda lo narselte'i plise mi} could work out, but I'm not sure.
(I would prefer na over na'e here).


{ma pinka}?


v4hn

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