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  It's funny, but back when that whole dust-up started, I said
an analogous thing to my family ("If he had been speaking in lojban, none
of this would have happened...").  But then, I say that about a lot of
things...
                    --gejyspa


On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:48 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi lo jibni be lo fanmo be li 2012
>
> Ranked second in Politifact's "Lie of the Year" is a Mitt Romney campaign
> video, which quote-mined Obama as saying:
>
> "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that
> happen."
>
> The video aimed to make it appear as though Obama was attributing success
> to the government and not to the people. The quote's actual context:
>
> "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. Ther=
e
> was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create thi=
s
> unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
> Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you=92ve got a business, you
> didn=92t build that. Somebody else made that happen."
>
> What he meant by "that" that you didn't build, then, would be "roads and
> bridges". The pro-noun however *can* technically refer to the business th=
at
> you've got as well, and the Romney campaign (let alone Fox News) took thi=
s
> anaphoric ambiguity to their advantage.
>
> Had the presidential race taken place in Lojbanistan, would such
> quote-mining have been possible? Which KOhA would Obama have used for
> "that"?
>
> mu'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 It&#39;s funny, but back when that whole dust-up start=
ed, I said an=A0analogous=A0thing to my family (&quot;If he had been speaki=
ng in lojban, none of this would have happened...&quot;). =A0But then, I sa=
y that about a lot of things...<div>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div><br><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 2:48 AM, tijlan <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijlan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jbotijlan@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>coi lo jibni be lo fan=
mo be li 2012<br><br>Ranked second in Politifact&#39;s &quot;Lie of the Yea=
r&quot; is a Mitt Romney campaign video, which quote-mined Obama as saying:=
<br>
<br>&quot;If you&#39;ve got a business, you didn&#39;t build that. Somebody=
 else made that happen.&quot;<br>



<br>The video aimed to make it appear as though Obama was attributing succe=
ss to the government and not to the people. The quote&#39;s actual context:=
<br><br>&quot;If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some=
 help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to=
 create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to =
thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you=92ve got a business,=
 you didn=92t build that. Somebody else made that happen.&quot;<br>




<br>What he meant by &quot;that&quot; that you didn&#39;t build, then, woul=
d be &quot;roads and bridges&quot;. The pro-noun however *can* technically =
refer to the business that you&#39;ve got as well, and the Romney campaign =
(let alone Fox News) took this anaphoric ambiguity to their advantage.<br>


<br></div><div>Had the presidential race taken place in Lojbanistan, would =
such quote-mining have been possible? Which KOhA would Obama have used for =
&quot;that&quot;?<br><br></div><div>mu&#39;o<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font co=
lor=3D"#888888"><br>
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