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[72.30.239.210]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d17si9889640vdt.1.2012.12.27.19.23.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.239.210 as permitted sender) client-ip=72.30.239.210; Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2012 03:23:53 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.113] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2012 03:23:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2012 03:23:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 655012.99726.bm@omp1018.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25300 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2012 03:23:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: xAWFsDIVM1kh6Wr6orfhFVSjANSBNPgEN91p3Kw23o_fsJu 10ZkVi07kPGdSF0x0_KlBkYFjG9VY1_l17JOn8T.o6pFFzOp30iNyV0dqECz iQHLxBnwY01ab_9SKSIDB46GEb74ud90XZij1VbK0lpcwACpJ0QmZaBDVevS 18xQhEapro90MxJaJWv3N.n1xxjeFEGxmdyTf3dkPQ7sTmvAZG_NrAKyfK5A PRzw4gWkzStDnH6JRIr9JIjtKo7Ub1IDK5Vs8hxrXaLlNDWhvwSU3j2JXcPn tehSVc96CMxe6JA6vCtbrvweLqHW54GQcAG2BkKGNVL.IAcBXFQrWUjdk2CL 2AEwSB75Dvz17qSKhKDxFEmDwbZdmKxVEXwFkHQr2027HwtqVrie0EC1q__B SbuHbV.1PA_SO2ElFgu6MY.Nb5JP75r7v16L_djLycck8B0u6UZ0BAZ09yRC py1Bafvi2A0kUFFhLOPVG7torxGU3.ytF54FIL2_UQgcrYLt08BwSkg4NNeN ereOOb4j3AolLQoaKZj9ouSuacx56oN47DUX8ZL1RoT3jXl9grqKKE7hwK.7 v703.QaZznIIRMsIfMN2UZio5Nyv5bM6O6PrpxSH.S4W6dc83KrjLuWTyH6t MXke1iS_lVyYCfCDN.179WFPKlweyDrPd37XLR6SSLEXkjciGPpYzgdsmPBR Nhek186z8tmmMu2QwtE4p_kRM Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:23:52 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,Tm90IGEgbWF0dGVyIG9mIGluZGlmZmVyZW5jZS7CoCBBcyBsb25nIGFzIHBlb3BsZSB0aGluayB0aGF0IGEgVUkgZGVzY3JpYmVzIGFuIGF0dGl0dWRlLCB0aGV5IGFyZSBnb2luZyB0byBwcm9kdWNlIGJhZCBMb2piYW4gYW5kIHN0dXBpZCBjb21tZW50cyBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QgKDM1IHllYXJzIG9mIGV2aWRlbmNlIGF0IGxlYXN0KS7CoCBOb3QgdGhlIG9ubHkgc291cmNlIG9mIHRoZXNlIHByb2JsZW1zLCBvZiBjb3Vyc2UsIGJ1dCBpbmRpY2F0aXZlIG9mIGRlZXBlciBtaXN1bmRlcnN0YW5kaW5ncy4KCgoBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 References: <1356578353.49070.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1356579813.57137.YahooMailNeo@web184404.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121227122817.GI7855@samsa.fritz.box> <20121227143638.GJ7855@samsa.fritz.box> <20121227164903.GM7855@samsa.fritz.box> <4FC25451-6D40-4A8E-9794-0561C020DDF8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1356665032.65520.YahooMailNeo@web184403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:23:52 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 72.30.239.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-6906265-1710449171-1356665032=:65520" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ---6906265-1710449171-1356665032=:65520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not a matter of indifference.=A0 As long as people think that a UI describe= s an attitude, they are going to produce bad Lojban and stupid comments on = this list (35 years of evidence at least).=A0 Not the only source of these = problems, of course, but indicative of deeper misunderstandings. ________________________________ From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} =20 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John E. Clifford wr= ote: NO! =A0To *express* you present attitude. > Whatever.=20 =A0 Sent from my iPad > >On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:57, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > >On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM, v4hn wrote: >>> >>>On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 08:27:16AM -0800, la gleki wrote: >>>>> Pardon for a silly question. >>>>> But if you have something in mind, isn't it an attitudinal? >>>> >>>>Is it? any proposals? >>>> >>>> >>>>v4hn >>>> >>>An attitudinal is a state of mind, not a thing in mind. >>> >>>http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/attitudinal >> >>That's why they're called ATTITUDinals, They're used to describe your pre= sent attitude. >>=A0--=20 >>mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> --=20 >> >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. >> >>To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Denquiry >> > --=20 >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups = "lojban" group. > >To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegro= ups.com. >For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n?hl=3Den. > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Not a matter of indif= ference.  As long as people think that a UI describes an attitude, the= y are going to produce bad Lojban and stupid comments on this list (35 year= s of evidence at least).  Not the only source of these problems, of co= urse, but indicative of deeper misunderstandings.

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From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2= 012 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [lojb= an] "Any" and {ro}

On Thu, Dec= 27, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
NO!  To *express* you present attitude.

Whatever.
 
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:57, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 a= t 9:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:= 49 AM, v4hn <me@v4hn.de> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 08:27:16AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
> Pardon for a silly question.
> But if you have something in mind, isn't it an attitudinal?

Is it? any proposals?


v4hn

An attitudinal is a state = of mind, not a thing in mind.

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/at= titudinal

That's why they're called ATTITUDinals, They're used to describe y= our present attitude.
 
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