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As long as people think that a UI describes > an attitude, they are going to produce bad Lojban and stupid comments on > this list (35 years of evidence at least). Not the only source of these > problems, of course, but indicative of deeper misunderstandings. > I know the difference and we're not on LB, and in the context I used it, as far as I'm concerned, "describe" and "express" are synonyms. ------------------------------ > *From:* Jonathan Jones > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:14 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro} > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John E. Clifford wrote: > > NO! To *express* you present attitude. > > > Whatever. > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:57, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM, v4hn wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 08:27:16AM -0800, la gleki wrote: > > Pardon for a silly question. > > But if you have something in mind, isn't it an attitudinal? > > Is it? any proposals? > > > v4hn > > > An attitudinal is a state of mind, not a thing in mind. > > http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/attitudinal > > > That's why they're called ATTITUDinals, They're used to describe your > present attitude. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=enquiry > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 8:23 PM, John E Clifford= <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Not a matter of indifference.=A0 As long as people think that a UI= describes an attitude, they are going to produce bad Lojban and stupid com= ments on this list (35 years of evidence at least).=A0 Not the only source = of these problems, of course, but indicative of deeper misunderstandings.

I know the difference and we're not o= n LB, and in the context I used it, as far as I'm concerned, "desc= ribe" and "express" are synonyms.


= From: Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&= gt;
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, Decem= ber 27, 2012 9:14 PM

Subject: Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}
<= div class=3D"h5">
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
NO! =A0To *express* you present attitude.

Whatever.
=A0
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:= 57, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu= , Dec 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM, v4hn <= me@v4hn.de= > wrote:
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 08:27:16AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
> Pardon for a silly question.
> But if you have something in mind, isn't it an attitudinal?

Is it? any proposals?


v4hn

An attitudinal is a state = of mind, not a thing in mind.

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku= /attitudinal

That's why they're called ATTITUDinals, They're used t= o describe your present attitude.
=A0
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