Received: from mail-vc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.220.190]:54576) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TobvC-0003wW-4y; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:32:39 -0800 Received: by mail-vc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id fy27sf6024532vcb.7 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:32:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KGeDaMuuu3z79BvqPHO1n3V+0WHgt7PucVy7aYY4f/w=; b=xuCoVHyyrocF8xYWuNOUZ3e5g5sFCOQfF51l1C48BT2ep9ye3OScGHQCpwvXFN47Am HeUTm/k63Bxo1VkK8zQ5WWSxU8z9gShgLEe0D7qYg17fhhv55tUItyf+2Zw3SaqLTBLa T2226iCeABUsfqqi02DRflkQN33rBQt9fZvkf5PH+zZGIuRlbfFhHYG5TbTdmE2r+Gje T3q9MEDb4vdqmarww9bOi2K2kl88JDrq1IoMdLLj2I1eYArTJ7SYqEflNHpNf5gD3yZ1 XJ95el1+7ozuCVAidjobCrpBW6rPUx6Uvxt4rJ5l3Hj0Cv1j4ZjlWul5Vc147/xw1dBs M6lg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KGeDaMuuu3z79BvqPHO1n3V+0WHgt7PucVy7aYY4f/w=; b=K2FFJ3idE8jxEj95soWedwO1RL3Xn8eYs+3XmIo55OrEvRL9UmI1gGG5pjMxLdW/PS gRpWHZJWyGUcSHSE4t6+8BVUEfSj9kW0RU7Ez/KdF/aSDmrmoR7scGgKK576C1JRZyYr WhxPxrs4f892hfiuAnHPXMPacptkbNTKkeqRPJYZ2MXPVbf5Vq48c7d5+gWCodSp2D+v NjO+bfvNi4IWaFh6lOs54WKcMknJWxSm8QYnqDY0a3OVPYQ469T9dpFnAXwkzQDVPFNO qKXZEfk40m8inOCkUT3A/rd9Ft55LIMoZmn9PsEajxQ9qWi/ebKkslq7o9WL8osog+xA mHeg== X-Received: by 10.182.245.76 with SMTP id xm12mr480890obc.24.1356708742929; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.119.105 with SMTP id kt9ls898423obb.54.gmail; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.15.40 with SMTP id u8mr476814obc.25.1356708741656; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:32:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <956d4be7-a5cf-4606-98bc-c11f15afe603@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5901091.L7RAquOyoW@caracal> <5388630.aHR0LXpQao@caracal> <7626898.ZEy1MSiyjN@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] curnu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_650_11904350.1356708741149" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_650_11904350.1356708741149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 su'o lo since cu curnu vau ua On Friday, December 28, 2012 6:32:32 PM UTC+4, Escape Landsome wrote: > > Not only children, but Chinese people too. Snake is categorized under > the insect category (the "insect" key) > > > 2012/12/28 la gleki > > >> >> >> On Friday, December 28, 2012 3:22:54 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, December 27, 2012 22:06:22 la gleki wrote: >>> > On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:33:24 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> > > On Thursday, December 27, 2012 19:36:38 vitci'i wrote: >>> > > > It's a baramin, not a clade. >>> > > >>> > > What?! You mean that God created the ur-worm which then diversified >>> into >>> > > flatworms, roundworms, earthworms, silkworms, and slowworms? No way. >>> > >>> > It's not God. {curnu} is a term used by primitive savage Lojbanists >>> that >>> > lived near the Amazon river thousands of years ago. >>> >>> Ah, you mean a folk-taxon. I've known all along that "curnu" does not >>> denote a >>> clade or Linnean taxon, unlike e.g. "guzme" (member of Cucurbitaceae) or >>> "xruba" (member of Polygonaceae). The question is, what does it denote? >>> What >>> is included in loi curnu? >>> >> >> Any worm-like creatures, I believe. >> I remember that children can sometimes name worms "snakes". The issue is >> somewhat related. >> And this is not the problem of Lojban. >> Can we call snakes reptiles? They used to be called reptiles. >> Some new school textbooks have already started to deny that, however. >> >> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/HqSmvUUVy1kJ. >> >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/oMEoTG0lLsEJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Friday, December 28, 2012 6:32:32 P= M UTC+4, Escape Landsome wrote:
Not only children, but Chinese people too.   Sn= ake is categorized under the insect category (the "insect" key)


2012/12/28 la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com>


On Friday, December 28, 2012 3:= 22:54 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Thursday, December 27, 2012 22:06:22 la gleki wrote:
> On Friday, December 28, 2012 8:33:24 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 27, 2012 19:36:38 vitci'i wrote:
> > > It's a baramin, not a clade.
> >=20
> > What?! You mean that God created the ur-worm which then diver= sified into
> > flatworms, roundworms, earthworms, silkworms, and slowworms? = No way.
>=20
> It's not God. {curnu} is a term used by primitive savage Lojbanist= s that
> lived near the Amazon river thousands of years ago.

Ah, you mean a folk-taxon. I've known all along that "curnu" does not d= enote a=20
clade or Linnean taxon, unlike e.g. "guzme" (member of Cucurbitaceae) o= r=20
"xruba" (member of Polygonaceae). The question is, what does it denote?= What=20
is included in loi curnu?

Any worm-like creatures, I belie= ve. 
I remember that children can sometimes name worms "snak= es". The issue is somewhat related.
And this is not the probl= em of Lojban.
Can we call snakes reptiles? They used to be called reptiles.
Some new school textbooks have already started to deny that, ho= wever.


Pierre
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ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji

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