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As my maxim goes: Good Lojban is not ambiguous, but is often vague.

(Or in other words, I agree completely.)

mu'o mi'e la latro'a

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Friday, December 28, 2012 05:08:41 la gleki wrote:
> > Any worm-like creatures, I believe.
> > I remember that children can sometimes name worms "snakes". The issue is
> > somewhat related.
> > And this is not the problem of Lojban.
> > Can we call snakes reptiles? They used to be called reptiles.
> > Some new school textbooks have already started to deny that, however.
>
> The problem with "reptile" is that the traditional circumscription is
> paraphyletic. If you call snakes and crocodiles, but not birds, reptiles,
> you
> run afoul of the dinosaurs. Birds are a branch of coelurosaurs, which are
> dinosaurs, and dinosaurs and crocodiles are both archosaurs, whereas snakes
> are not. But as long as "respa" has a consistent definition, there is no
> Lojbanic problem, even if it is paraphyletic.
>
> The problem with "curnu" is that it has an ambiguous definition or two
> competing definitions. It's okay to have a fuzzy definition (there's no
> clear
> boundary between "blanu" and "crino"), but it's not OK for a brivla to have
> two different meanings, "worm" and "invertebrate". Lobsters are
> invertebrates
> but not worms; slowworms are worms but not invertebrates.
>
> Pierre
> --
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As my maxim goes: Good Lojban is not ambiguous, but is often vague.<br><br>=
(Or in other words, I agree completely.)<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la latro&=
#39;a<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:56 AM, P=
ierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Friday, December 28, 20=
12 05:08:41 la gleki wrote:<br>
&gt; Any worm-like creatures, I believe.<br>
&gt; I remember that children can sometimes name worms &quot;snakes&quot;. =
The issue is<br>
&gt; somewhat related.<br>
&gt; And this is not the problem of Lojban.<br>
&gt; Can we call snakes reptiles? They used to be called reptiles.<br>
&gt; Some new school textbooks have already started to deny that, however.<=
br>
<br>
</div>The problem with &quot;reptile&quot; is that the traditional circumsc=
ription is<br>
paraphyletic. If you call snakes and crocodiles, but not birds, reptiles, y=
ou<br>
run afoul of the dinosaurs. Birds are a branch of coelurosaurs, which are<b=
r>
dinosaurs, and dinosaurs and crocodiles are both archosaurs, whereas snakes=
<br>
are not. But as long as &quot;respa&quot; has a consistent definition, ther=
e is no<br>
Lojbanic problem, even if it is paraphyletic.<br>
<br>
The problem with &quot;curnu&quot; is that it has an ambiguous definition o=
r two<br>
competing definitions. It&#39;s okay to have a fuzzy definition (there&#39;=
s no clear<br>
boundary between &quot;blanu&quot; and &quot;crino&quot;), but it&#39;s not=
 OK for a brivla to have<br>
two different meanings, &quot;worm&quot; and &quot;invertebrate&quot;. Lobs=
ters are invertebrates<br>
but not worms; slowworms are worms but not invertebrates.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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