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What is your opinion in the current situation? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1eff28e7a3604d1eca15a X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb1eff28e7a3604d1eca15a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, la gleki wrote: > On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:25:25 AM UTC+4, aionys wrote: >> >> Yeah, don't listen to gleki. Lack of activity does not mean dead, >> whatever he says. >> >> Speaking of, is there a BPFK task list? I would not be surprised if I'm >> not the only BPFK member who isn't doing anything solely because I don't >> know what needs doing. >> >> > If so it's vitally important to me that selpa'i, tsani, latro'a and me > (.o'acu'i) are allowed there. Are they? > If what is so? If you're talking about the existence of a task list, then you shuld be aware that such a list would contain only the items needed to be done to complete the documentation of the baseline. Official deliberation of any proposed changes to the language don't occur until after the baseline is complete. (xorlo and dot-side being exceptions for wgat should be obvious reasons). As far as /I'M/ concerned, the only prerequisites for being a member of the BPFK are that you have a good understanding of Lojban (regardless of fluency, which is really just how many words you've memorized) and that you want to assist in the duties of the BPFK. So, if it were up to me, I'd say all the aforementioned are welcome. You'll have to find out what Robin says about it, though- as BDFL, it's really up to him what the requirements are and who is allowed. > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >> rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:59:46AM +0100, v4hn wrote: >>> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 03:35:38PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>> > > I don't have the time to even do this; look at the TODO file and >>> > > other documentation. Sorry. >>> > > >>> > > > Also, are github pull requests processed? Some of them are >>> > > > quite old. >>> > > >>> > > See above. I hope to get back to it some day, but between two >>> > > girlfriends, two jobs, and two infant daughters, I've been >>> > > crushingly busy. >>> > >>> > Fair enough. As you mention over and over again that you really >>> > don't have any time at all, it might really be a good idea to >>> > formally reinstantiate the BPFK, but that's not really something >>> > /I/ should talk about... >>> >>> The BPFK was never disbanded; it just stopped *doing* anything. The >>> mailing list is still there; have at. >>> >>> -Robin >>> >>> -- >>> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >>> .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e >>> lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e >>> lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni >>> li'u >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+un...@** >>> googlegroups.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/lojban?hl=en . >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:09 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:25:25 AM UTC+4, aionys wro= te:
Yeah, don't listen to gleki.= Lack of activity does not mean dead, whatever he says.

Speaking of, is there a BPFK task list? I would not be surprised if I&#= 39;m not the only BPFK member who isn't doing anything solely because I= don't know what needs doing.


If so it's vitally important= to me that selpa'i, tsani, latro'a and me (.o'acu'i) are a= llowed there. Are they?

If what is so?

If you're talking about the existence of a task list, then you shuld be= aware that such a list would contain only the items needed to be done to c= omplete the documentation of the baseline. Official deliberation of any pro= posed changes to the language don't occur until after the baseline is c= omplete. (xorlo and dot-side being exceptions for wgat should be obvious re= asons).

As far as /I'M/ concerned, the only prerequisites for being a membe= r of the BPFK are that you have a good understanding of Lojban (regardless = of fluency, which is really just how many words you've memorized) and t= hat you want to assist in the duties of the BPFK. So, if it were up to me, = I'd say all the aforementioned are welcome. You'll have to find out= what Robin says about it, though- as BDFL, it's really up to him what = the requirements are and who is allowed.
=A0
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 5:03 P= M, Robin Lee Powell <rlpo...@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:59:46AM +0100, v4hn wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 03:35:38PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > I don't have the time to even do this; look at the TODO file = and
> > other documentation. =A0Sorry.
> >
> > > Also, are github pull requests processed? Some of them are > > > quite old.
> >
> > See above. =A0I hope to get back to it some day, but between two<= br> > > girlfriends, two jobs, and two infant daughters, I've been > > crushingly busy.
>
> Fair enough. As you mention over and over again that you really
> don't have any time at all, it might really be a good idea to
> formally reinstantiate the BPFK, but that's not really something > /I/ should talk about...

The BPFK was never disbanded; it just stopped *doing* anything.= =A0The
mailing list is still there; have at.

-Robin

--
http://singinst.org/= : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u = .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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