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On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:56:49 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Friday, December 28, 2012 05:08:41 la gleki wrote: 
> > Any worm-like creatures, I believe. 
> > I remember that children can sometimes name worms "snakes". The issue is 
> > somewhat related. 
> > And this is not the problem of Lojban. 
> > Can we call snakes reptiles? They used to be called reptiles. 
> > Some new school textbooks have already started to deny that, however. 
>
> The problem with "reptile" is that the traditional circumscription is 
> paraphyletic. If you call snakes and crocodiles, but not birds, reptiles, 
> you 
> run afoul of the dinosaurs. Birds are a branch of coelurosaurs, which are 
> dinosaurs, and dinosaurs and crocodiles are both archosaurs, whereas 
> snakes 
> are not. But as long as "respa" has a consistent definition, there is no 
> Lojbanic problem, even if it is paraphyletic. 
>
> The problem with "curnu" is that it has an ambiguous definition or two 
> competing definitions. It's okay to have a fuzzy definition (there's no 
> clear 
> boundary between "blanu" and "crino"), but it's not OK for a brivla to 
> have 
> two different meanings, "worm" and "invertebrate".


I see.
{vertebrata} is a modern term. It should be a zi'evla.
Worm must be refered to worm-like creatures only.
So I suggest changing the definition. No invertebrates there, please.
 

> Lobsters are invertebrates 
> but not worms; slowworms are worms but not invertebrates. 
>
> Pierre 
> -- 
> gau do li'i co'e kei do 
>
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<br><br>On Friday, December 28, 2012 7:56:49 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord=
er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Friday, December 28, 2012 05=
:08:41 la gleki wrote:
<br>&gt; Any worm-like creatures, I believe.
<br>&gt; I remember that children can sometimes name worms "snakes". The is=
sue is
<br>&gt; somewhat related.
<br>&gt; And this is not the problem of Lojban.
<br>&gt; Can we call snakes reptiles? They used to be called reptiles.
<br>&gt; Some new school textbooks have already started to deny that, howev=
er.
<br>
<br>The problem with "reptile" is that the traditional circumscription is=
=20
<br>paraphyletic. If you call snakes and crocodiles, but not birds, reptile=
s, you=20
<br>run afoul of the dinosaurs. Birds are a branch of coelurosaurs, which a=
re=20
<br>dinosaurs, and dinosaurs and crocodiles are both archosaurs, whereas sn=
akes=20
<br>are not. But as long as "respa" has a consistent definition, there is n=
o=20
<br>Lojbanic problem, even if it is paraphyletic.
<br>
<br>The problem with "curnu" is that it has an ambiguous definition or two=
=20
<br>competing definitions. It's okay to have a fuzzy definition (there's no=
 clear=20
<br>boundary between "blanu" and "crino"), but it's not OK for a brivla to =
have=20
<br>two different meanings, "worm" and "invertebrate".</blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>I see.</div><div>{vertebrata} is a modern term. It should be a =
zi'evla.</div><div>Worm must be refered to worm-like creatures only.</div><=
div>So I suggest changing the definition. No invertebrates there, please.</=
div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;m=
argin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"> Lobsters=
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<br>but not worms; slowworms are worms but not invertebrates.
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>gau do li'i co'e kei do
<br>
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