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I've been wondering about this for a while (and may have asked before, but
I don't recall being answered): where is the border between the two, and
how does lojban address it?

{mi pu ze'a pensi la'e di'e (to ji'a ju'o cu'i mi pu te preti .i ku'i na
morji lo du'u dafsku toi) .i fi ma sepli fa lo za'e sorsmu [to'i zo'oi *
polysemy* toi] lo za'e smugri [to'i zo'oi *clustering* toi] .ije ma la'e
di'u danfu ci'e la .lojban.}

(Incidentally to my question, I would appreciate input on my lojban.)

I will illustrate with an example: the word "singleton" can mean "a set
with exactly one element", "a single entity which makes all decisions", "an
object (in the CS sense) which is only instantiated once", or "a type which
has only one value"; I observe that all of these senses are special cases
of the first (sometimes implicitly {se}-ed), but when I hear the word, I
know that it refers to one of those and not, for example, "the only person
who sleeps in a particular bed".

Obviously, part of this is context, but it feels to me like there's a
difference between the context of the conversation and the context of the
society. It would feel silly and facetious for me to say (pretending for a
moment that {selte'i} is an adequate translation of "singleton") {mi
selte'i lo ka sipna ti noi ckana}, even if it's technically true.

Uncommon words seem to take on a clustered, though not quite polysemous,
definition: "It means this in the most general case, but it probably is
being used for one of these more specific cases."

Anyone have any thoughts? Apologies for any incoherence... it sounded
better in my head.

-- 
mu'o mi'e .arpis.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I&#39;ve been wondering about this for a while (and m=
ay have asked before, but I don&#39;t recall being answered): where is the =
border between the two, and how does lojban address it?<br><br></div><div>

{mi pu ze&#39;a pensi la&#39;e di&#39;e (to ji&#39;a ju&#39;o cu&#39;i mi p=
u te preti .i ku&#39;i na morji lo du&#39;u dafsku toi) .i fi ma sepli fa l=
o za&#39;e sorsmu [to&#39;i zo&#39;oi <i>polysemy</i> toi] lo za&#39;e smug=
ri [to&#39;i zo&#39;oi <i>clustering</i> toi] .ije ma la&#39;e di&#39;u dan=
fu ci&#39;e la .lojban.}<br clear=3D"all">

</div><div><br></div><div>(Incidentally to my question, I would appreciate =
input on my lojban.)<br><br></div><div>I will illustrate with an example: t=
he word &quot;singleton&quot; can mean &quot;a set with exactly one element=
&quot;, &quot;a single entity which makes all decisions&quot;, &quot;an obj=
ect (in the CS sense) which is only instantiated once&quot;, or &quot;a typ=
e which has only one value&quot;; I observe that all of these senses are sp=
ecial cases of the first (sometimes implicitly {se}-ed), but when I hear th=
e word, I know that it refers to one of those and not, for example, &quot;t=
he only person who sleeps in a particular bed&quot;.<br>

</div><div><br>Obviously, part of this is context, but it feels to me like =
there&#39;s a difference between the context of the conversation and the co=
ntext of the society. It would feel silly and facetious for me to say (pret=
ending for a moment that {selte&#39;i} is an adequate translation of &quot;=
singleton&quot;) {mi selte&#39;i lo ka sipna ti noi ckana}, even if it&#39;=
s technically true.<br>

<br></div><div>Uncommon words seem to take on a clustered, though not quite=
 polysemous, definition: &quot;It means this in the most general case, but =
it probably is being used for one of these more specific cases.&quot;<br>

</div><div><br></div><div>Anyone have any thoughts? Apologies for any incoh=
erence... it sounded better in my head.<br></div><div><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o m=
i&#39;e .arpis.<br></div>
</div>

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