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doi la selpa'i xu do se slabu 
la'oi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicative_expression

i mi jinvi lo du'u do skicu tu'a la'e ri

i mu'a

They elected him [as] *president*. - Predicative nominal over the object
They were all *happy campers*. - Predicative nominal over the subject (They*acted as 
*happy campers???)

On Monday, November 5, 2012 11:05:53 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
>
> This construction has come up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a 
> blank how to translate it. It might not be translatable at all, but maybe 
> someone has a good solution. Here are some examples using this particular 
> usage of "as":
>
> (1) I respect you as a friend.
>
> (2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.
>
> (3) We kept this day as a holiday.
>
> (4) She appeared to them as a fairy this time.
>
> I've tried a few things, among other things {kai} and {fi'o tarmi}, but 
> I'm not content. Suggestions and ideas are welcome.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>

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doi la selpa'i xu do se slabu la'oi&nbsp;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predi=
cative_expression<div><br></div><div>i mi jinvi lo du'u do skicu tu'a la'e =
ri<br><br>i mu'a</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0=
); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.1875px;">They elected him [as]&=
nbsp;</span><b style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-=
height: 19.1875px;">president</b><span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-f=
amily: sans-serif; line-height: 19.1875px;">.&nbsp;</span><small style=3D"c=
olor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif; line-height: 19.1875px;">- Pre=
dicative nominal over the object</small></div><div><span style=3D"line-heig=
ht: 1.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif;">They were all&nbs=
p;</span><b style=3D"line-height: 1.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
sans-serif;">happy campers</b><span style=3D"line-height: 1.5em; color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif;">.</span><span style=3D"line-height: 1.=
5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif;">&nbsp;</span><small sty=
le=3D"line-height: 1.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: sans-serif;">- =
Predicative nominal over the <font size=3D"1">subject </font><font size=3D"=
4">(They<b> acted as </b>happy campers???)</font></small></div><div><dl sty=
le=3D"margin-top: 0.2em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-fa=
mily: sans-serif; line-height: 19.1875px;"><dd style=3D"line-height: 1.5em;=
 margin-left: 1.6em; margin-bottom: 0.1em;"><dl style=3D"margin-top: 0.2em;=
 margin-bottom: 0.5em;"></dl></dd></dl></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" f=
ace=3D"sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size: 11px; line-height: 19.1875px;"=
><br></span></font>On Monday, November 5, 2012 11:05:53 PM UTC+4, selpa'i w=
rote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8e=
x;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">This construction has com=
e up a lot more recently, and I am drawing a blank how to translate it. It =
might not be translatable at all, but maybe someone has a good solution. He=
re are some examples using this particular usage of "as":<br><br>(1) I resp=
ect you as a friend.<br><br>(2) I study my dreams as symbolic imagery.<br><=
br>(3) We kept this day as a holiday.<br><br>(4) She appeared to them as a =
fairy this time.<br><br>I've tried a few things, among other things {kai} a=
nd {fi'o tarmi}, but I'm not content. Suggestions and ideas are welcome.<br=
><br>mu'o mi'e la selpa'i<br></blockquote></div>

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