Received: from mail-gh0-f186.google.com ([209.85.160.186]:37450) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TpUg9-00060c-Hk; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:48 -0800 Received: by mail-gh0-f186.google.com with SMTP id f11sf5989892ghb.13 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=PoDguovcdTuppXALTgQtTgUwa3JJb8MSUZqtn5kGlSs=; b=uryZ1bE+rIjHkjbwDxZ20x1U3fYJh+27EQ6IiizGYdA5xkU4lto6H68xrB1v1RElzt Fre7Crto0/8BXEnRSdvR9MWe78RqtQnzF3/HH4+6xmmztvxQxn3B4ldOa4wXb9ReP8MT zJUqbmpAk8Pre3MGY+dGZIZRnPunXyClubNj6ynaoFr/2FUt66pKlEl/IWzou8DPlRzZ GImvV2AreqH7ftG/3ydtPvEPDOjaETzhZtBQ2LsNA7IKWcN+rRXRm8qM1lvPIjOOz3id MfEe22E9MvRaveHN8o4KKOiivrNjVWomzXc16ASQBNUNzFhqDO9ZcAQG/tATgJd/uZKO H/1Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:x-received:received-spf :mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=PoDguovcdTuppXALTgQtTgUwa3JJb8MSUZqtn5kGlSs=; b=XiAUwqAoN6n33yRJGtddkFeqM6HgYU0P4T1SyqaTanZjZkkCrYmXa7GyqKs3qMyfW3 e6Xs7WmKZ2y6PamvIkwCYZy66u1EHmgby5Wu4vW/RFwQd3/p5DMknERsQtrsuxGOycO5 gdm/oro5KvopIGdwB06beR9iY/BkPi/HsnCB3s0AMAxT9ltaQKE9I/uVd1CoKJ9qhOcW bJTYPCuvy8/5PHZJmL2WF2fWskAhq9KHAfnBFLvz2eCN6hGn3ENYSsDgUKvtkHHd5Q19 Jv3RnyHUps1eZhT43T9DviC6DozOJLhzAUw9P4ZmJ3aHLgPe7qh83THdUw9Bc7ibe7dJ XsDg== X-Received: by 10.50.45.226 with SMTP id q2mr13287816igm.0.1356919230893; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.213.71 with SMTP id nq7ls12607088igc.37.canary; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.74.135 with SMTP id t7mr5367607pav.29.1356919230395; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.74.135 with SMTP id t7mr5367606pav.29.1356919230383; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com (mail-pa0-f52.google.com [209.85.220.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n8si7941263paz.2.2012.12.30.18.00.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.52; Received: by mail-pa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fb1so6872058pad.11 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.190.227 with SMTP id gt3mr124714696pbc.5.1356919230259; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.15.70 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:00:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: ".arpis." Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Secondary meaning of {cevni} To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1bf66b5625e04d21c60a8 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8ff1bf66b5625e04d21c60a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Then I believe that the jbovlaste definition of {cevni} is misleading: Definition: x1 is a/the god/deity of people(s)/religion x2 with dominion over x3 [sphere]; x1 is divine. note the secondary definition. I would consider angels to be divine. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Even demons, and if you stretch the meaning /really/ far, djinn. > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, .arpis. wrote: >> >>> xu se cumki smuni lo ka ce'u ge angeli gi cevni >> >> >> {cevni} can refer to many different things, but not angels. Gods, >> goddesses, demi-god(esse)s, oni, and so on and so forth. >> >> But not angels. Angels are not gods, they aren't even god-like. Except >> for maybe the archangels, they're barely above humans, and in many ways are >> lower on the totem pole (like the complete lack of free will, emotion, or >> creativity, for example). >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8ff1bf66b5625e04d21c60a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Then I believe that the jbovlaste definition of {cevni} is= misleading:
  Definition: x1 is a/the god/deity of people(s)/relig=
ion x2 with dominion
       over x3 [sphere]; x1 is divine.
note the secondary definition. = I would consider angels to be divine.
<= br>
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jonathan= Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Even demons, and if you stretch the meaning = /really/ far, djinn.


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Sun, Dec = 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
xu se cumki smuni lo ka ce'u ge angeli gi cevni

<= /div>{cevni} can refer to many different things, but not angels. Gods, godd= esses, demi-god(esse)s, oni, and so on and so forth.

But not angels.= Angels are not gods, they aren't even god-like. Except for maybe the a= rchangels, they're barely above humans, and in many ways are lower on t= he totem pole (like the complete lack of free will, emotion, or creativity,= for example).

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo piln= o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Lu= ke, I am your father. :D )



--
mu'o = mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi= .luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father= . :D )

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