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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:

> Then I believe that the jbovlaste definition of {cevni} is misleading:
>
>   Definition: x1 is a/the god/deity of people(s)/religion x2 with dominion
>        over x3 [sphere]; x1 is divine.
>
> note the secondary definition. I would consider angels to be divine.
>

Well, then you're using a different sense of the word "divine" than
jbovlaste is, because the sense of "divine" in the English definition of
{cevni} is "(of or pertaining to a god): deific, godlike, godly", whereas
you seem to be meaning "(eternal, holy): hallowed, holy, sacred".

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Even demons, and if you stretch the meaning /really/ far, djinn.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> xu se cumki smuni lo ka ce'u ge angeli gi cevni
>>>
>>>
>>> {cevni} can refer to many different things, but not angels. Gods,
>>> goddesses, demi-god(esse)s, oni, and so on and so forth.
>>>
>>> But not angels. Angels are not gods, they aren't even god-like. Except
>>> for maybe the archangels, they're barely above humans, and in many ways are
>>> lower on the totem pole (like the complete lack of free will, emotion, or
>>> creativity, for example).
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM, .arpis. <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Then I believe that the jbovlaste definition of {cevni} is=
 misleading:<br><pre>  Definition: x1 is a/the god/deity of people(s)/relig=
ion x2 with dominion
       over x3 [sphere]; x1 is divine.</pre>note the secondary definition. =
I would consider angels to be divine.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Well, =
then you&#39;re using a different sense of the word &quot;divine&quot; than=
 jbovlaste is, because the sense of &quot;divine&quot; in the English defin=
ition of {cevni} is &quot;(of or pertaining to a god): deific, godlike, god=
ly&quot;, whereas you seem to be meaning &quot;(eternal, holy): hallowed, h=
oly, sacred&quot;.<br>
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Sun, =
Dec 30, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br>


</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">Even demo=
ns, and if you stretch the meaning /really/ far, djinn.</div></div><div><di=
v>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec =
30, 2012 at 1:28 PM, .arpis. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpglov=
er64+jbobau@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>



<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
xu se cumki smuni lo ka ce&#39;u ge angeli gi cevni</blockquote></div><br><=
/div>{cevni} can refer to many different things, but not angels. Gods, godd=
esses, demi-god(esse)s, oni, and so on and so forth.<br><br>But not angels.=
 Angels are not gods, they aren&#39;t even god-like. Except for maybe the a=
rchangels, they&#39;re barely above humans, and in many ways are lower on t=
he totem pole (like the complete lack of free will, emotion, or creativity,=
 for example).<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all">




<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o =
mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi=
.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father=
. :D )<br>




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