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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org> wrote:

> On 12/30/2012 10:22 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Mark E. Shoulson <mark@kli.org <mailto:
>> mark@kli.org>> wrote:
>>     On 12/30/2012 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>>         Let's suppose that no cross between an Eskimo and a Pintupi
>>         exists (which is
>>         probably true, as Eskimos live in the cold north, and Pintupis
>>         live in the
>>         desert of Northern Territory and Western Australia). I ask a
>>         question: "lo
>>         ginxre be lo skimale .e lo pintupi cu xabju ma?" This should
>>         have a "da'i" in
>>         it. Where would you put it?
>>
>>         Pierre
>>
>>     After the {lo}.
>>
>>
>> da'i is a UI, it attaches to the preceding word.
>>
> Exactly, and to the grammatical unit bounded by that word (I think I
> didn't make that up).  Just as attaching it to the .i would attach it to
> the whole sentence, putting it after {lo} attaches it to the entire
> sumti-phrase.
>
> Otherwise, you could put it after the {be'o} that was elided.


Right. Duh. I don't know why I forgot that. Which lo, though?


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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Mark E. Shoulso=
n <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mark@kli.org" target=3D"_blank">m=
ark@kli.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 12/30/2012 10:22 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote:<div class=3D"im">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Mark E. Shoulson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mar=
k@kli.org" target=3D"_blank">mark@kli.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:=
mark@kli.org" target=3D"_blank">mark@kli.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>

=A0 =A0 On 12/30/2012 10:16 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Let&#39;s suppose that no cross between an Eskimo and a Pin=
tupi<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 exists (which is<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 probably true, as Eskimos live in the cold north, and Pintu=
pis<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 live in the<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 desert of Northern Territory and Western Australia). I ask =
a<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 question: &quot;lo<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ginxre be lo skimale .e lo pintupi cu xabju ma?&quot; This =
should<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 have a &quot;da&#39;i&quot; in<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 it. Where would you put it?<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Pierre<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 After the {lo}.<br>
<br>
<br>
da&#39;i is a UI, it attaches to the preceding word.<br>
</blockquote></div>
Exactly, and to the grammatical unit bounded by that word (I think I didn&#=
39;t make that up). =A0Just as attaching it to the .i would attach it to th=
e whole sentence, putting it after {lo} attaches it to the entire sumti-phr=
ase.<br>

<br>
Otherwise, you could put it after the {be&#39;o} that was elided.</blockquo=
te><div><br>Right. Duh. I don&#39;t know why I forgot that. Which lo, thoug=
h?<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">~mark<br>
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